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Brother Green 26-Jun-2007 03:10

Age 36 Practical Values
 
The "Practical values" in Utopia Angel represent the percentage of Elites that a race sends on attacks on average, based solely on the race's units strength. For example, an Orc having the units strength of 5/5/8/2 (offspec, defspec, elite off, elite def) will most likely send 100% of his Elites when attacking.

Please post here your proposed Practical values that should be used in Angel for Age 36 in your opinion. You may provide explanation for your suggestions.

Please note that this is not the place to argue against the Practical values as a concept. People who do not see a benefit in them can easily disable them in Angel's settings menu.

bonex 26-Jun-2007 03:45

Re: Age 36 Practical Values
 
ORCS(8/2)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

HUMANS(6/4)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

GNOMES(5/5) ALL ELITE ARMY
Practical OFFENSE (60% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (40% elites)

ELVES(6/5)
Practical OFFENSE (75% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (25% elites)

DARK ELVES(4/6)
Practical OFFENSE (0% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (100% elites)

DWARFS(6/6)
Practical OFFENSE (50% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (50% elites)

Kezmeister 26-Jun-2007 03:54

I agree except, I think gnomes would be 50/50 as well. If you have lots of TG's which you should if you're going to be attacking then you can send 50% but the off points will be higher than the def points you leave at home giving you more defense at home. Do yo see where I'm coming from?

reinstall 26-Jun-2007 04:16

Gnomes should be 40/60...in my case...

stUbby 26-Jun-2007 04:18

Re: Age 36 Practical Values
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonex (Post 1586955)
ORCS(8/2)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

HUMANS(6/4)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

GNOMES(5/5) ALL ELITE ARMY
Practical OFFENSE (60% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (40% elites)

ELVES(6/5)
Practical OFFENSE (75% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (25% elites)

DARK ELVES(4/6)
Practical OFFENSE (0% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (100% elites)

DWARFS(6/6)
Practical OFFENSE (50% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (50% elites)

Agree with most of it, but think that Gnome should be 50/50. Also Elves should probably be 90/10 off/def.

spacecricketkh 26-Jun-2007 04:26

I agree. Gnome should be at least 50/50, if not 40/60. Other than that, it makes sense.

bonex 26-Jun-2007 04:37

Re: Age 36 Practical Values
 
hehehe... was just so used to suiciding freaks... i guess 50/50 will do for gnomes... :)

ShadowMachine 26-Jun-2007 04:37

I'm playing gnome and i was planning on all elites...why are some saying not?
Its cheaper and has same value.

spacecricketkh 26-Jun-2007 04:47

what we're saying is you would keep 50% of your leets at home, if you had an all-leet army.
Of course, anyone playing gnome would be pretty strange to train anything other than leets.

reinstall 26-Jun-2007 05:17

I always keep bottomfeeding def... 40/60 is fine for me...

greenie9 26-Jun-2007 05:54

Re: Age 36 Practical Values
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonex (Post 1586955)
ORCS(8/2)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

HUMANS(6/4)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

GNOMES(5/5) ALL ELITE ARMY
Practical OFFENSE (60% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (40% elites)

ELVES(6/5)
Practical OFFENSE (75% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (25% elites)

DARK ELVES(4/6)
Practical OFFENSE (0% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (100% elites)

DWARFS(6/6)
Practical OFFENSE (50% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (50% elites)

agree with humans, DE, orc & elf

if gnome is running all elite i think it'll be closer to 50-50

dorf i think itll be closer to 60-40 cause anyone that runs all elite dwarf is asking for trouble :lol

rockit 26-Jun-2007 06:00

gnome should be 50%/50% or maybe 60%/40%


gnomes will be using the spec credits they earn for mainly def specs i would assume. so they will be free to send more elites out.

smbka1 26-Jun-2007 06:16

Agree with all in their original posting state.

@ Rockit - In a war-heavy or even semi-heavy KD... a Gnome will be best suited to keep those credits in pocket until absolutely needed... to help offset the lack of Hospitals. It is a non-NW bonus that can really make a difference in a longterm setting.

rockit 26-Jun-2007 06:26

Re: Age 36 Practical Values
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smbka1 (Post 1586987)
Agree with all in their original posting state.

@ Rockit - In a war-heavy or even semi-heavy KD... a Gnome will be best suited to keep those credits in pocket until absolutely needed... to help offset the lack of Hospitals. It is a non-NW bonus that can really make a difference in a longterm setting.

good point.

tt5678 26-Jun-2007 06:30

Should i train half-giants with money and then with my free creds should i train Def? That way it may help but i do not know

Canis lupus mac 26-Jun-2007 06:39

ORCS(8/2)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

HUMANS(6/4)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

ELVES(6/5)
Practical OFFENSE (100% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (0% elites)

DARK ELVES(4/6)
Practical OFFENSE (0% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (100% elites)

GNOMES(5/5) ALL ELITE ARMY
Practical OFFENSE (50% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (50% elites)

DWARFS(6/6)
Practical OFFENSE (50% elites)
Practical DEFENSE (50% elites)

Bascially with orc 8/2, human 6/4 and elf 6/5 they should all be used just for offence, now you could argue with elf that they may want some elites purely for def, but its simply more effective to get def specs. unless your running a semi suicide strat :P

Dark elf has 4/6 elites like the old faery, so it should be just used for def since its most efficient.

for gnomes and dwarf since they have an elite that is just as effective on the offence and defence, its safe to say it should be used in a 50/50 split.

thanks

brenton 26-Jun-2007 07:05

Is it at all possible to have the practical % change for different provinces? For example a gnome with half elites and half specs would have 'practically' have all elites out. But one with all elites would only have half of them out.

seth the nut 26-Jun-2007 11:25

Re: Age 36 Practical Values
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecricketkh (Post 1586968)
what we're saying is you would keep 50% of your leets at home, if you had an all-leet army.
Of course, anyone playing gnome would be pretty strange to train anything other than leets.


Well, durring wars gnomes could train specs with the credits instead of investing cash in leets.

Commentguy 26-Jun-2007 17:26

First off, for gnomes, I think for the most part, the specialist credits won't be a HUGE factor that'll throw off angel's calculations under the 50/50 rule. Everyone's going to have their preferences as to whether they want to use the credits to train offense specs or defense specs. This preference itself will be affected largely by the the types of wars players participate and the players styles overall. Programming angel to accept the 50/50 rule for gnomes at worst will force the player to dedicate his 1k specialist credits ALL to offense, ALL to defense, or EQUALLY to both.

But programming angel to 60/40 for gnomes will just favor those players who are biased toward a heavy-offense. These semi-suiciding gnome players won't have to do much extra calculating to accommodate any extra factors such as future specialist unit credit use. But on the other hand, this will force players who use bottom-feeding tactics to use calculator or even pen and paper to properly calculate how much defense they'll have with 60% of their elites at home. In essence, while the semi-suiciders will have little work to do, bottom-feeders will have much more to do.

I am sure that if you apply this argument to a situation in which the 40/60 rule is being used, you know what will happen. Then you are also aware of one point I have been getting at: Gnome strategies will vary greatly when compared against those of other attacker races. What does this mean? You can't use a strategy that'll favor all races.


So my solution is this: Incorporate the 50/50 rule for gnomes as a compromise for all. This is most practical or...

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Add a new setting to angel that'll allow players to customize their elite settings for angel's CB abilities. By this, I mean make an additional option to angel that will allow players to manually set angel to calculate their offense and defense based on their preferred elite percentage numbers. If I am gnome, and if I am a semi-suicider that prefers the 60/40 option, then add a new option that'll allow me to set angel so that angel reads my PERSONAL CB data as though my preference when attacking another province 90% of the time is keeping 40% of my elites at home, and sending 60% of my elites out.

I know...my post seems a bit off topic...

Zequovixway 26-Jun-2007 18:01

ORCS(8/2)
Practical Offense (100% elites)
Practical Defense (0% elites)

HUMANS(6/4)
Practical Offense (100% elites)
Practical Defense (0% elites)

GNOMES(5/5) ALL ELITE ARMY
Practical Offense (50% elites)
Practical Defense (50% elites)

ELVES(6/5)
Practical Offense (85% elites)
Practical Defense (15% elites)
People will over build elites for the extra offense if the need it, but it will not be by allot.

DARK ELVES(4/6)
Practical Offense(0% elites)
Practical Defense (100% elites)

DWARFS(6/6)
Practical Offense (50% elites)
Practical Defense (50% elites)


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