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(14-Apr-2005 at 09:27)
to defect or not to defect

i got a bit of problem, im in a kd on wol and my king and top 3 players get deleted. i get voted as replacement king. but now the kd is basically screwed because they were the most talented players and the most active. we now have only 12 players the rest filled with "awaiting activation" who never seem to activate. i was just wondering whether or not i should just defect or would this be the dishonourable thing to do? i feel like im wasting my time. i go out of my way to help a newbie and then they just quit the game any way.
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(14-Apr-2005 at 09:32)
Depends, if you want to take a shot at putting the KD back together, or give up and let somebody else rule you instead of ruling, i would stay and try to stay as big as possible
Try to attain 50% of the KD's NW before they go big, so if they turn on you, there is nothing you can do, get there because you can start killing the n00bs!

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(14-Apr-2005 at 13:19)
if your heart is not into teaching noobs, razing tons of farms while hoping for talented people to stick around, i think it might be time to take a journey and look for a better place...

u shouldn't just defect, but ensure a peaceful/smooth power transition b4 u go. maybe release everything and give the kd something b4 u delete.

goodluck man
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(14-Apr-2005 at 19:54)
I would defect..w/o people that are good why would you wanna play in a crappy kd? especialy if you talked to those guys/gals alot
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(15-Apr-2005 at 00:14)


id either defect or delete and restart

utopias supposed to be a passtime, not a chore; if youre in a shitty kd with nothin but newbs and inactives its more of a chore than anything fun..... and thats the point where you need a new kd

Happiness is like peeing your pants. Everyone can see it, but only you can feel its warmth.
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(15-Apr-2005 at 06:17)
thanks for the advice guys. if the kd doesnt show some signs of improvement, in skills and active players, i think i will hand in my resignation, organise new king, and defect.

cheers
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(15-Apr-2005 at 08:12)


Make sure you dont leave the kingdom without a king. Hehe...

You know the real meaning of PEACE only if you have been through the war. Anyone, who truly wants to go to war, has never truly been there before!
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(15-Apr-2005 at 08:13)
Anyone got any advice for newbie training?
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(15-Apr-2005 at 08:37)


Quote:
(Originally posted by Guybrush22)

Anyone got any advice for newbie training?
Set-up rules and talk to your kd mate on IM. That and look threw these links and decide witch ones you want your new people to see...

Using Angel:
http://www10.brinkster.com/matthewzv/angel/angel.html

Getting 2 know Utopia-
http://roundtable.cif.rochester.edu/~trevdak/guide.php

Race & Personality Guide-
http://www.freewebs.com/utopia_guide/

Newbie Guide:
http://utopia.utopiax.org/index.html

Utopia by Bobbit:
http://www.geocities.com/sbobbitt21/utopia.html

Pip Squeeks Attacking 101:
http://pipsqueek.4t.com/custom3.html

Utopian Thieves Guilde:
http://utopianthievesguild.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=23

The Utopia Temple Q&A thread:
http://forums.utopiatemple.com/showt...threadid=56920
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(15-Apr-2005 at 08:38)


Well, rule of thumb, if you ever think about defecting, just do it. Staying around just prolongs the pain, it never improves..


"If guns kill people...Can I blame mispelled words on my pencil?
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(15-Apr-2005 at 08:42)


Quote:
(Originally posted by Pip Squeek)

Set-up rules and talk to your kd mate on IM. That and look threw these links and decide witch ones you want your new people to see...

Using Angel:
http://www10.brinkster.com/matthewzv/angel/angel.html

Getting 2 know Utopia-
http://roundtable.cif.rochester.edu/~trevdak/guide.php

Race & Personality Guide-
http://www.freewebs.com/utopia_guide/

Newbie Guide:
http://utopia.utopiax.org/index.html

Utopia by Bobbit:
http://www.geocities.com/sbobbitt21/utopia.html

Pip Squeeks Attacking 101:
http://pipsqueek.4t.com/custom3.html

Utopian Thieves Guilde:
http://utopianthievesguild.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=23

The Utopia Temple Q&A thread:
http://forums.utopiatemple.com/showt...threadid=56920
Pip, good links. Well done mate!

You know the real meaning of PEACE only if you have been through the war. Anyone, who truly wants to go to war, has never truly been there before!
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(15-Apr-2005 at 08:51)


Quote:
(Originally posted by Mad Morgan)

Well, rule of thumb, if you ever think about defecting, just do it. Staying around just prolongs the pain, it never improves..
never say never. And with that aditude the probably would not improve fot you because you are not trying to make the best out of the situation or giving them a chance...

I use to say if you have to ask defect, but I changed my aditude when I used all my defects on age and landed in a ghetto. It was actually the best thing that happen to me at that time...because now they are a good kd...to bad I am not with them anymore because they have been on bf for 9 straight ages...
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(15-Apr-2005 at 09:06)
thanks guys for the advice. i think i will stick with it and train the newbs up. maybe they will be good in a couple of ages.
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(15-Apr-2005 at 09:17)
get routine kd page screenshot and monitor their growth.

learn to identify farms from noobs by looking at surveys and sos, most farms dun bother wif science. real noobs are eager to learn and improve themselves, they'll show initiatives by asking questions so set up a thread in the forum for them. farms on the other hand can be identified by their fluent use of acronyms and creative excuse for not performing.

get a few good players to form an unbreakable nucleus, give them important responsibilties to help build up the kd. this gives u more breathing space and let them have a sense of kd ownership.

wif a good structure, good players who wander around might choose to stick around. start warring super ghettos and get a few wins, great morale boost for everybody lol.

that's how the theory goes
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(15-Apr-2005 at 11:24)


Challenge

I would stay just for the challenge. How much more rewarding to build something out of nothing then play in an existing kingdom. My kd was ghetto at the start last year - brand new bf kd complete with mega explorers & inactives. We got rid of them all & by the end of the age climbed the charts by 150 points & had 3 war wins under our belt. Doesn't sound like that much but when you've got the whole of Utopia taking potshots at you cuz there is no down it's a major accomplishment & well worth the effort.

Outwit, outlast, outplay!
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(16-Apr-2005 at 03:13)
Or if they are just not willing to learn and do the hard way, comply, raze them until they obey

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(16-Apr-2005 at 10:11)
....newbies...asking...stupid...questions...
makes me want to crush kill AND destroy!
i got one post in the forum "how do you get into the game?". now how the hell am i supposed to compete with that! he decides to make a new thread after i have one called "newbie welcome/training" that has all the basic information that he could ever need. i dont think i can handle it. i dont have the patience to be a monarch.
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(16-Apr-2005 at 10:35)
lol @ the question, i'd tell him it's the same way he dies
anything wif IQ less than 100 = farm
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(16-Apr-2005 at 10:46)
Quote:
(Originally posted by Guybrush22)

thanks guys for the advice. i think i will stick with it and train the newbs up. maybe they will be good in a couple of ages.
If u are staying, i hope u got like at least 2-3 ages if u want ur kd to at least get to the top of the island.

First step as king, dun do everything by urself. I know u are the king, but u have tonnes of work to do if u keep doing everything by urself. Share the work with some players whom u think are good and trustable, like making a council of vice-monarch(page), war head, tm head etc. Make sure they all have either msn or irc or icq or watever u want the whole kd to communicate with. Since ur kd are mostly new players or inactive noobs, when u make decision just consult the council. Decision will take too long to get around the whole kd.

Next step is to get the whole of ur kd online on msn or watever which u want to use for the kd. Anyone knows that the messaging system in utopia is too slow. If u only depend on it to communicate with ur kd u are dead meat.

Third Step, u can post those links on how to play the game well or alot strats or watever blah blah blah in the forum, but how much new guys or noobs will actually go and read the long eassys one by one, besides they might not even understand. The best way to teach him is on msn or watever 1 on 1, and answer any question that he does not understand. If hes keen to learn the game and be good, he dun mind finding u on msn, else i dun think keeping him would not be of any value.

Lastly, as king u should always boast the morale of the kd. If you fall, the kd will fall. Start with easy war targets or watever first, let them get up their morale. Activeness and teamwork worths more value than skills, dun think twice about killing of inactive guys or guys whom refused to communicate. Thats the best way to grow fast.

And if u can get to top 3 of the island in the first 1 or 2 ages, u are successful. Always aim high, if not y bother to waste your time playing the game.

Last edited by tjiawei, 16-Apr-2005 at 10:48.
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