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Old SLG
Posts: 14/19
(24-Apr-2007 at 05:31)


Incorrect science percentages 1.83a1

Incorrect science calculation when <300 acres.

The Province of XXX (##:##)
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v1.83 Alpha 1]

Server: World of Legends (Age 35)
Utopian Date: June 24th, YR6 (48% in the day)
RL Date: April 24th, 2007 (##:## GMT)

Ruler Name: The Wise XXX
Personality & Race: The Sage, Elf
Land: 231 Acres
Money: 62,637gc (8,340gc daily income)
Food: 204,516 bushels
Runes: 13,309 runes
Population: 7,729 citizens (33.46 per Acre)
Peasants: 4,170 (109% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 959,508gc (0% tax rate)
Networth: 60,196 (260.59 per Acre)
Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 29,378gc

ME+Stance (no spells): 144.9% off. / 150% def.
Soldiers: 0 (35.7% estimated draft rate)
Rangers: 1,991 (14,425 offense)
Archers: 678 (5,085 defense)
Elf Lords: 87 (756 offense / 261 defense)
War-Horses: 3,486 (up to 3,011 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 18,193 (78.76 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 18,193 (78.76 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 5,602 (24.25 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 5,085 (22.01 per Acre)

[500 Acres land assumed for thieves calculation]
Thieves: 0 (0.00 per Acre / 44% Stealth)
Wizards: 803 (3.48 per Acre / 31% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Maximum Possible Thieves: 7,344 (14.69 per Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 2,938 (5.88 per Acre)
Maximum Possible Wizards: 7,344 (31.79 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 1,102 (4.77 per Acre)

Province is at WAR! (-75% gains and effectiveness)

Buildings: 812gc to build, 408gc to raze
Away bonus: 20,850gc (12h) / 62,550gc (20h)


Science Intelligence on XXX (##:##)
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v1.83 Alpha 1]

Server: World of Legends (Age 35)
Science cost: 24gc

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
72.3% Income (392,570 points)
36.2% Building Effectiveness (392,571 points)
36.2% Population Limits (392,574 points)
217% Food Production (392,569 points)
45.2% Gains in Combat (392,579 points)
217% Thievery Effectiveness (392,576 points)
180.9% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (392,569 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Alchemy: 4,459 points in progress
Tools: 4,459 points in progress
Housing: 4,457 points in progress
Food: 4,461 points in progress
Military: 4,452 points in progress
Crime: 4,455 points in progress
Channeling: 4,461 points in progress


Angel reports a value when calculated with 231 acres, but Utopia calculates science at a minimum of 300 acres.

Other bugs:
When checking and unchecking the "At War" checkbox and personality is sage, the price of books switches between 12 and 25gc respectively. In reality, it should be 12 and 24gc.

Last edited by SLG, 24-Apr-2007 at 05:39.
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(29-Apr-2007 at 05:03)


question Re: Incorrect science percentages 1.83a1

Originally Posted by SLG: View Post
Utopia calculates science at a minimum of 300 acres.

When checking and unchecking the "At War" checkbox and personality is sage, the price of books switches between 12 and 25gc respectively. In reality, it should be 12 and 24gc.
Can you provide evidence to confirm these claims?

Brother Green, Utopia Angel creator.
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Old SLG
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(29-Apr-2007 at 17:39)


Re: Incorrect science percentages 1.83a1

Originally Posted by Brother Green: View Post
Can you provide evidence to confirm these claims?
The CB and Science reports I copied above are from when the province was at 231 acres. Unfortunately, I am not at that size anymore. However, if you enter in 231 acres and the corresponding science point amount into the appropriate box, you will find the science report (which was copied from the game page) values will differ from the numbers on the right of the science bars showing the current % effect.

What extra evidence do you need?
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(05-May-2007 at 08:14)


question Re: Incorrect science percentages 1.83a1

Interesting, and are they now correct that you're over 300 acres?

Brother Green, Utopia Angel creator.
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Old SLG
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(07-May-2007 at 16:54)


Yes. It is only incorrect when acreage is under 300. It appears that science effect is locked at 300 even if acreage is less than that. In practice, it would make sense due to ridiculous science effects at 100 acres (or less before razes were taken out) if someone has been hit hard during war.
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(08-May-2007 at 14:01)


sunglasses Re: Incorrect science percentages 1.83a1

Originally Posted by SLG: View Post
Utopia calculates science at a minimum of 300 acres.
Thanks for reporting. This will be reflected in the next release.

Originally Posted by SLG: View Post
When checking and unchecking the "At War" checkbox and personality is sage, the price of books switches between 12 and 25gc respectively. In reality, it should be 12 and 24gc.
Actually, as far as I know it's 12 (non-war) and 25 (war) for Sage personality. If you know otherwise, please provide a proof (such as screen-shot).

Brother Green, Utopia Angel creator.
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Re: Incorrect science percentages 1.83a1

Originally Posted by SLG: View Post
When checking and unchecking the "At War" checkbox and personality is sage, the price of books switches between 12 and 25gc respectively. In reality, it should be 12 and 24gc.
Actually, the sage bonus is "50% lower science research costs". That makes it 50% of 25 (price per science point for non-sages not in war), putting the price at 12.5 and not 12. From what I've heard it just gets rounded down, but I could be wrong there. That should mean that 25 is fact correct, and not 24. Will try to get hold of a sage to confirm this.


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(09-May-2007 at 16:23)
Too bad I have already deleted the sage province I made but I can verify that the science cost went from 12gc to 24gc when the kingdom I was in entered a war but I don't have a screenshot
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Old SLG
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(10-May-2007 at 07:16)


Well our war just finished, so someone else can confirm this. Thanks! The science report above was copied during war also, as shown when both taken at the same time (CB says at war too) and it says 24gc.
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(22-May-2007 at 04:38)


We are at war again, so here is my science page, Sage personality.
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(27-May-2007 at 03:02)


sunglasses Sage Science Cost

Thanks for reporting, the Sage Science cost will be updated in the next release.

Brother Green, Utopia Angel creator.
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(14-Jun-2007 at 23:03)
btw is this now your real science? or is it a bug? and how big are you?
Do you use libraries? Because such a big science Ive never seen before actually...
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