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(Posted as derskine)
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(29-Oct-2003 at 16:45)


A question for atheist;

A question for atheist;
To what extent have atheist contributed to society?
Throughout our history religious groups have set up organizations for the betterment of mankind; Hospitals, for the sick and infirm, soup kitchens and shelters, for the homeless, treatment centers for the alcohol and drug addicted.
Have atheist done the same?
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(29-Oct-2003 at 16:50)


but you seem to ferget the fact that religion has caused hundreds of years of wars, endless pain and suffering, constant hypocracy, slavery (to an extent) etc.
But a lot of scientists have been atheists who have done good things for the betterment of humankind...ppl who know me would think me to be the last person to talk about the beterment of mankind but i jsut answered a question, how i feel about humanity is irrelevant

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(29-Oct-2003 at 17:07)
Carl Sagan comes to mind. I realize he never contributed anything to society but I know he was an atheist.

Thomas Paine comes to mind but for the life of me I can't remember what he did.

Thomas Edison was an atheist as well but he only invented the lightbulb, phonograph and movie projector but I don't really think those count as contributions.
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Well, I personally have donated blood on a great many times, I've helped feed the homeless in a soup kitchen, tonight for instance I'm going to go help out the boys and girls club. I'm Athiest, and I've done plenty.

I like to think of it more as which side has contributed more harm? Athiests haven't done that many harmful things in history, whereas christians and various christian organizations have done plleeeeenty.

Normally, I defend Christians in their choice, but if you're going to spout hateful garbage like this thread, I will have no choice but to defend the Athiests.

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(29-Oct-2003 at 17:51)


Re: A question for atheist;

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(Originally posted by derskine)

A question for atheist;
To what extent have atheist contributed to society?
Throughout our history religious groups have set up organizations for the betterment of mankind; Hospitals, for the sick and infirm, soup kitchens and shelters, for the homeless, treatment centers for the alcohol and drug addicted.
Have atheist done the same?
And what about all the bad stuff organized religion has done?
More ppl were killed in religious wars then the others, infact, about just every war was caused by religion.
thousands of ppl were killed by the hands of religious military forces, and other hundreds tortured, exiled and other cruel things...
And get this: Atheism is NOT a religion, therefore should not be recognised as some kind of organized corporation or something..

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Well, I personally have donated blood on a great many times, I've helped feed the homeless in a soup kitchen, tonight for instance I'm going to go help out the boys and girls club. I'm Athiest, and I've done plenty.

I like to think of it more as which side has contributed more harm? Athiests haven't done that many harmful things in history, whereas christians and various christian organizations have done plleeeeenty.

Normally, I defend Christians in their choice, but if you're going to spout hateful garbage like this thread, I will have no choice but to defend the Athiests.
I saw nothing hateful in his post.

He was simply asking a question. His post never insulted atheists or implied any ill will.

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The message implies that Athiests are useless and that they don't do anything remotely humanitarian. I, as well as a lot of other Athiests I imagine, would take offense from that.

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The message implies that Athiests are useless and that they don't do anything remotely humanitarian. I, as well as a lot of other Athiests I imagine, would take offense from that.
i certainly take offense considering i can come up with hundreds of unhumanitarian things that religions have done AND ARE STILL DOING...points to middle east conflict alone...

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So what if we say things that offend you atheists? it's not like you have some god that will come deviler his wrath upon us. You'd have to come do something yourself and I would just kick you in hte nuts
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(29-Oct-2003 at 21:17)


I'd have to deem you an uncouth person, then. If you're going to insult someone, fine, but at least do it with class, instead of blatant crap like this thread that escapes being an open flame by the narrowest of margins. Even the militant anti-christians don't make toughtless accusations like this thread, they at least find a point of contention that actually exists.

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So what if we say things that offend you atheists? it's not like you have some god that will come deviler his wrath upon us. You'd have to come do something yourself and I would just kick you in hte nuts
So it's not okay for me to ridicule Christians, because I'll be smote by their God or something, but it's okay for Christians to ridicule Athiests, because we don't believe we have an all-powerful spirit to beat up anyone we don't like?

Yeah...Okay...

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ok how did religion cause all these things they would have mosly likely happened any ways.

so what you're saying is that religion put hate in the hearts of men

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(29-Oct-2003 at 23:50)


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So what if we say things that offend you atheists? it's not like you have some god that will come deviler his wrath upon us. You'd have to come do something yourself and I would just kick you in hte nuts
Yeah, that seems like a sheeps response.

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so what you're saying is that religion put hate in the hearts of men
are you saying it hasn't?

well, to be fair, its more or less men who have corrupted the basic messages of all religions that has put hate in our hearts...

but religion is indirectly responsible, yes

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Why does everyone think that being an athiest makes you a more evil person, or that you are incapable of doing good? Its really sad that you feel setting up hospitals and soup kitchens can atone for years of war, corrupt policies, degredation, falsisms, and supression. Religion is a powerful tool that men can bend to their will. Depending on the man it can be very good. Or very evil. When you speculate on many of the conflicts that still go on today, the peoples religious beliefs always come front and center. Religion is not bad in itself, but what it is used to say and communicate to its devotees is wrong.

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(30-Oct-2003 at 01:02)
thats not really much of a question, many people have have helped soicety in different ways.


Not all athiest are anarchists who hate everything and hate religion.


Im an athiest but i think religion is good in many ways for helping people and giving the hope and faith in things.

I dont abstain from helping people because i think its a religious thing.
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but you seem to ferget the fact that religion has caused hundreds of years of wars, endless pain and suffering, constant hypocracy, slavery (to an extent) etc.
But a lot of scientists have been atheists who have done good things for the betterment of humankind...ppl who know me would think me to be the last person to talk about the beterment of mankind but i jsut answered a question, how i feel about humanity is irrelevant
Yeap, I'd agree with you. Atheist scientists certainly have done more in contribution to humanity when compared to those religious freaks who do nothing but sit their arse in church preaching.

To say that Atheists have done nothing in contribution would be absolute bullshit.

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Re: A question for atheist;

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(Originally posted by derskine)

A question for atheist;
To what extent have atheist contributed to society?
Throughout our history religious groups have set up organizations for the betterment of mankind; Hospitals, for the sick and infirm, soup kitchens and shelters, for the homeless, treatment centers for the alcohol and drug addicted.
Have atheist done the same?
Religion has also been responsible for heinous acts, such as the Inquisition, and the loss of centuries of knowledge when the Crusaders (and later the Turks) sacked Jerusalem and all the centuries when the near-facist Papacy was in charge of the the schools and universities, which delayed many possible innovations that would otherwise have been put to immediate use. Most of the organizations you mentioned have little or no focus on religion; they could have easily been started by atheists. Frankly, I'm glad that the church doesn't have the power that it once did.

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Thomas Paine comes to mind but for the life of me I can't remember what he did.
His pamphlet Common Sense inspired the Founding Fathers to declare independence from Britain. I'd say that was a large contribution, but I live in the US, so of course I would.

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So what if we say things that offend you atheists? it's not like you have some god that will come deviler his wrath upon us. You'd have to come do something yourself and I would just kick you in hte nuts
So you're saying that I can't insult you because you have a divine mafia man backing you up, but you're are free to say and do whatever you want to me because I have no such protection? Enjoy your Inquisition. By the way, I'd have to say that you're a double standard-making, Bible-thumping fool for saying that.

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Re: A question for atheist;

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(Originally posted by derskine)

A question for atheist;
To what extent have atheist contributed to society?
Throughout our history religious groups have set up organizations for the betterment of mankind; Hospitals, for the sick and infirm, soup kitchens and shelters, for the homeless, treatment centers for the alcohol and drug addicted.
Have atheist done the same?
Actually, we do all those things you say. We just aren't organized, so we don't take all the names. As for hospitals; well, I am sure Atheists have donated money to such projects (I personally have only enough to donate to the Red Cross and Salvation Army, and to give blood when I can), but Atheists don't plaster their names all over things like Christians do.

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So what if we say things that offend you atheists? it's not like you have some god that will come deviler his wrath upon us. You'd have to come do something yourself and I would just kick you in hte nuts
In response to this, I have to say that I would hate for your god to deviler his wrath upon us. I'd hate even more for you to kick me in hte nuts. Of course, I am not sure how one devilers something (do you put devil horns on them when they're sleeping?), or what "hte" means, but, hey, I'm just an Atheist, not a brilliant, divine inspired Christian person such as yourself.

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So what if we say things that offend you atheists? it's not like you have some god that will come deviler his wrath upon us. You'd have to come do something yourself and I would just kick you in the nuts

HAHAHA, I personally am not offended by derskine's ignorance, and others shouldn't be either. But we don't expect a god to deliver a wrath, we do it ourselves. If someone insults me or hurts me, I have no problem with shooting their face off, cause im not going to hell if I do that, im going 6 feet under like everyone else. You are the ones who are like 'Oh, you hurt me, god will have revenge on you my friend', but the jokes on you at the end , cause if you don't do something, then no imaginary supreme being is gonna be there to make sure I get punished.


Anyway, atheists aren't bad people because we don't believe in god. We still help people, we still go out of our way to ensure that peopel are better off, just as many religous people don't do anything to help others. Sure, there is no official atheist help group, as we never gather in places all the time like other groups. Just because we aren't told to do something in Church doesn't mean that we don't do it.

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