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(28-Dec-2004 at 02:23)
contradictions?

would really like to see the bible huggers start running to justify em.

1.Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)



2.In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)



3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)



4.God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)



5.How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)



6.How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)



7.How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)



8.The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)



9.When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)



10.How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)



11.When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)



12.How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13.In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)



14.How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)



15.Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)



16.Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of

Pahrath-Moab?

(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)



17.How many were the children of Zattu?

(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)



18.How many were the children of Azgad?

(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)



19.How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)



20.How many were the children of Hashum?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)



21.How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)



22.Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the

numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)



23.How many singers accompanied the assembly?

(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)



24.What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?

(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name

was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25.Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b) No (Joshua 15:63)



26.Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)



27.Jesus descended from which son of David?

(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan (Luke3: 31)



28.Who was the father of Shealtiel?

(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)



29.Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) but the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i. Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii.

Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v. Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names

Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.



30.Who was the father of Uzziah?

(a) Joram (Matthew 1:8)

(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)



31.Who as the father of Jechoniah?

(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)



32.How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)



33.Who was the father of Shelah?

(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)



34.Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b) No (John 1:19-21)



35.Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?

(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was

cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)



36.Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their

garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments

on them and he sat thereon.”



37.How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)



38.Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

(a) By the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)



39.When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?

(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”

(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”



40.Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

(a) Yes (Mark6: 8)

(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)



41.Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b) No (Luke 9:9)



42.Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?

(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b) No (John 1:32,33)



43.Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b) No (Matthew 11:2)



44.According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)

(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)



45.When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?

(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he

went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1-17).



46.The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?

(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)

(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)



47.Did Judas kiss Jesus?

(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)





48.What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?

(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).

(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30). When the cock crowed

once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.



49.Did Jesus bear his own cross?

(a) Yes (John 19:17)

(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)



50.Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

(a) Yes (Matthew27: 50-5 1;MarklS: 37-38)

(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I

commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)



51.Did Jesus say anything secretly?

(a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)

(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained

everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To

you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given”

(Matthew 13: 1 0-11)



52.Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)



53.The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?

(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)

(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)



54.Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

(b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)



55.When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with

him hear the voice?

(a) Yes (Acts9: 7)

(b) No (Acts22: 9)



56.When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?

(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)

(b) No (Acts 9:7)







57.Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?

(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)

(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he

must do. (Acts9: 7; 22: 10)



58.When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck

them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?

(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)

(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)



59.How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?

(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)

(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)



60.What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)

(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the

temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)



61.How did Judas die?

(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)

(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle

and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)



62.Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?

(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)

(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)



63.Who is a ransom for whom?

(a) “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave

himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)

(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)



64.Is the Law of Moses useful?

(a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)

(b) No. “ . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews

7:18)



65.What was the exact wording on the cross?

(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)

(b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)

(c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)

(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)









66.Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)

(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a

righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)



67.Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)

(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)



68.Jesus saw a man sit at the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)

(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)



69.Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)

(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other

disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When

Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to

eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth

hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)



70.Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)

(b) No. (John 12:27)



71.In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away

from his disciples to pray?

(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)

(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)



72.Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the

second prayer?

(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark

14:3 9)

(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew

26:42)



73.What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)

(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)







74.When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me? ” in what language did he speak?

(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi…“(Matthew 27:46)

(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi... “(Mark 15:34)



75.According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)

(b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).



76.When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally

to request Jesus for this?

(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)

(b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)



77. (a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis

2:17)

(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)



78. (a) God decided that the life span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)

(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived

433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)



79.Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

(a) No (John 3:13)

(b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)



80.Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?

(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)

(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)



81.Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so

that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)



82.When did the women buy the spices?

(a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)

(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested

according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)



83.At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

(a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)

(b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)











84.What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

(c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath

(John 20: 1)



85.A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the

tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)

(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed

with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew

28:1-6)



86.Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?

(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as

angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each

case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5

footnote)

(b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not

know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)



87.When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb.

They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did

not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest

somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him

and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17)
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1) According to Samuel -
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Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
Chronicles 21:1 -
Quote:
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel."
Both God and Satan asked for the census. Two seperate occasions.



2) & 3) David lied to God when God asked for a census. It's unclear WHY he lied, but we know he did. (Some say because Satan made him). The second time, he told the truth to Satan, because he was afraid, I'm assuming. David said to God both times:

"I have sinned greatly in what I have done; but now, I pray, O Lord, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly."

4) Ok questions 2,3, and 4 can all be answered simply. TWO SEPERATE OCCASIONS!


I'm too tired to look up the rest, but I hope this helps your questions.

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Very simple to answer these questions, most notably the ones in the New Testament.

THEY WERE WRITTEN BY HUMANS. Humans wrote the Bible, and the NT was written, for the most part, a generation or two after Jesus lived (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong about that). So different people would have different interpretations of those events. The Bible wasn't written by God, or by Jesus, or Joseph or Mary or Moses or Michael. It was written by regular, every day Humans (Well, not really, but these people weren't omniscient beings), so there are bound to be some discrepancies. Find me one person who is intelligent, and actually believes that every word in the bible is 10000% true.
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Hmm, there's nothing new about Bible contradictions...
the originals are inspired, not the copies. The copies are not themselves "inspired"; that is, they have no guarantee of being 100% textually pure, correct.
Though copies of the original documents are not perfect, but they are very close to being so.
IMO, these are copyist errors ... I think the bible is still doctrinally sound and it can be trusted.

i refer you to this webpage http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm

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Very simple to answer these questions, most notably the ones in the New Testament.

THEY WERE WRITTEN BY HUMANS. Humans wrote the Bible, and the NT was written, for the most part, a generation or two after Jesus lived (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong about that). So different people would have different interpretations of those events. The Bible wasn't written by God, or by Jesus, or Joseph or Mary or Moses or Michael. It was written by regular, every day Humans (Well, not really, but these people weren't omniscient beings), so there are bound to be some discrepancies. Find me one person who is intelligent, and actually believes that every word in the bible is 10000% true.
they would say. the words dont matter. but it the content n the meaning. then once u question them abt something. they'll dig up their bible n show u the section regarding yr question, n goes "theres your proof"

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7.How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24: 8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36: 9)
I pretty much stopped listening after this point. When it says three months...it does not say exactly three months. Most of the points really did not have much contradiction. A lot of it is even in my Bible (The Student Bible, Zondervan Publishing) it is basically manuscript differences. The most accurate are the Masoretic texts because if they made one error they would throw that scroll out and start fresh.

It was a nice try, but the funny thing is even with those contradictions like others were saying the message doesn't change. Jesus Christ died for our sins and if we believe in Him we have the privilege of having a relationship with God the Father Almighty, Maker of the heavens and the earth, the One and only God who is above all others, and who truly loves us.

I Corinthians 13: 4:

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

I John 4: 16:

And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like hinm. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

~"For God so loved the world that He sent His One and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" -John 3: 16~
~"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" -John 17: 3~
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At least the bible never stops teaching us about love.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
Jesus said to him, ""You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

Matthew 22:36-39

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I suppose I could go through and answer every one of the contradictions, but somehow I doubt that it would matter. The simple fact is that all I have to do is come up with a reasonable explanation of every contradiction - which is very possible.

If you are really interested go and type them into google and go and find someone who has answered the so called contradictions. Personally, I believe that any so called contardictions have simple answers - and hence the Bible is reliable.

Prove me wrong and get a million dollars - It can't get much better than that can it?
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I suppose I could go through and answer every one of the contradictions, but somehow I doubt that it would matter. The simple fact is that all I have to do is come up with a reasonable explanation of every contradiction - which is very possible.

If you are really interested go and type them into google and go and find someone who has answered the so called contradictions. Personally, I believe that any so called contardictions have simple answers - and hence the Bible is reliable.
as you state yourself in this post you can only find reasonable explanations to why the contradictions exist - thus you are changing it to to your interpretation - the fact is they DO exist and the fact it NEEDS explanation is why the bible CANNOT be used as proof of any kind. please try to see this.



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Very simple to answer these questions, most notably the ones in the New Testament.

THEY WERE WRITTEN BY HUMANS. Humans wrote the Bible, and the NT was written, for the most part, a generation or two after Jesus lived (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong about that). So different people would have different interpretations of those events. The Bible wasn't written by God, or by Jesus, or Joseph or Mary or Moses or Michael. It was written by regular, every day Humans (Well, not really, but these people weren't omniscient beings), so there are bound to be some discrepancies. Find me one person who is intelligent, and actually believes that every word in the bible is 10000% true.
exactly and because not every word in the bible is 100% accurate as stated you cannot say that one bit is correct and the other isnt because there is discrepencias because it was written by man so you cant say they end here and start here cause its not 100% sure where they start and end - thus another reason WHY it cant be used as proof - i have no problem with people explaining they believe in a god - nor what bits they do say is correct - they can believe wtf they want but you cannot say ITS TRUE - you can only say - that is your belief - soon as you state ITS CORRECT and others ARE NOT is when you become a zeolot and become as bad as any terrorist because thus saying it you are putting yourself and your beliefs ABOVE others

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At least the bible never stops teaching us about love.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
Jesus said to him, ""You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

Matthew ##:##-39
thats the thing. people ignore the fact tat alot of unsavoury things also have been mentioned. which alot of people choose to ignore. n pretend its jus an error.
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thats the thing. people ignore the fact tat alot of unsavoury things also have been mentioned. which alot of people choose to ignore. n pretend its jus an error.
Well, those unsavoury things (i take it that you mean the contradictions) can mostly be explained by the link i provided earlier. Well, if you are really interested in clearing those doubts, i encourage you to go there. Not much of a point for me to go through all the contradictions since i would be cutting and pasting info from the website.


Wel, a lot of people might have chose to ignore them, but there are still people around who take notices of them as well.

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Re: contradictions?

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would really like to see the bible huggers start running to justify em.

They don't need to. Anyone of reasonable intelligence should know enough that the Bible was written down (translated, whatever) by humans, so it's perfectly acceptable to have inconsistencies.


If you're nitpicking on things like this, maybe you should ask yourself why. Nitpicking on the wording in the bible is probably the reason you don't like bible huggers anyway, since it's most of the reason for the racist/sexist/heterosexist/whatever prejudices we commonly see in "religious" people.
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as you state yourself in this post you can only find reasonable explanations to why the contradictions exist - thus you are changing it to to your interpretation - the fact is they DO exist and the fact it NEEDS explanation is why the bible CANNOT be used as proof of any kind. please try to see this.
sorry, I should have used the word suposedly. I believe there are no contradictions in the Bible at all.

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sorry, I should have used the word suposedly. I believe there are no contradictions in the Bible at all.
lol damn english language aye - what a difference one word makes - well you are entitled to believe that but i believe there are:P

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there are contradictions in all things, we must simply choose set of contradictions are most....um, not quite the correct word, but acceptable to our beliefs, and deal with it, you can say i am wrong, i can say your wrong, and we can both agree that billy bob is wrong, but who cares, in the end only one of us is right, thats just the way things work, death is a line that cannot be crossed until, well, death, so pick a path, follow it, and hope it doesn't lead you off a cliff. i'll pick mine, we'll bicker for a bit over who picked right, realize niether will budge, and move on down our respective paths. It is my duty to show what i believe is the correct path, not to drag people kicking and screaming off of thiers. so what if the Bible has contradictions, so does Evolution, so does the quran, so does the book of mormon, and the list goes on.....

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