[Jasse]

isreal is refusing to let hamas operate, personally i always suspected this would happen and said so in another thread, as well as that i support it, its a piquet tactic, take out the officers etc, without their leadership hamas find it increasingly hard to operate, combined with things such as the wall the effectivness of hamas has been severely reduced. If you haven't read israel killed hamas's newest leader.

Now without going off topic i don't see much case agaisnt this, hamas are clearly and my admission a terrorist group, they operate to kill as many inocent civilians as possible. from sombody heading a group aiming to drive jews out of the middle east, they are an obsticle to any possible peace and a threat to normal and good people, i congratulate israel on a less offensive toward civilians and effective methof of controling terrorists.

[Phased]

Yes. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The leaders are worthy of their lives. But could you please try to give a good reason as to why killing someone, who is now probably going to be percieved as a martyr, is going to stop Hamas?

[Jasse]

because without adequate leaders how is a group to function, when members who are not in it for myarterdom but for their own interests are killed then the others relasie its not so beneficial, it breaks up their organisation and ruins their plans.

[Lady Mishy]

I think they will always find someone else to lead Hamas no matter how many people are killed.

[Jasse]

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I think they will always find someone else to lead Hamas no matter how many people are killed.

yes but bad leadership can be even worse for them then no leadership, isreal has destroed their effectivness and that is important.

[Jasse]

sorry my apologies, i didn't read the other thread, mods please merge them

[Phased]

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because without adequate leaders how is a group to function, when members who are not in it for myarterdom but for their own interests are killed then the others relasie its not so beneficial, it breaks up their organisation and ruins their plans.

There isn't a training program to be a Hamas leader. It isn't like they are qualified brain surgeons that when you kill all of them, you have to spend time to train a new one.

Israel has killed 2 moderate Hamas high ranking officials in the last 6 months, who had been at least willing to postpone their attacks for a later century. That doesn't help at all. And killing the Hamas leader will just put someone that is more extreme in power. Until, of course, they reach the limit of extremism (which they haven't by the way), and then it will just maintain at that point of course.

They need to find a different way of disabling Hamas, but yes, it definietly needs to be done.

[Voice of Reason]

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hamas are clearly and my admission a terrorist group, they operate to kill as many inocent civilians as possible.

If it is so clear then you should find it easy to define a terrorist and show how it applies to Hamas.

Perhaps Hamas see themselves as guerilla fighters, trying to eject an enemy that has been occupying their land since 1967, in contravention of international law and in defiance of the UN.

[jahwarrior]

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(Originally posted by Voice of Reason) Perhaps Hamas see themselves as guerilla fighters, trying to eject an enemy that has been occupying their land since 1967, in contravention of international law and in defiance of the UN.

thats funny you know who was also in violation of international accords... Egpyt,Iraq,Jordan,Lebanon,Syria and Saudi Arabia

[none]

you forgot to mention .. America

[Syke]

While Hamas is a terrorist organization that I strictly disaprove of, the way in which Israel is dealing with this is terrible. It will only infuriate the suppressed resistance towards unjust Israeli presence in the area. They are only infuriating a volatile group of fanatics, fanning the flames of their anger and actively inciting a new generation for Hamas to recruit from. You cannot change a man's mind with your fists. Israel is also involved in terrorist activities, were the U.S. to support the riddance of the Israeli nation, you would see a much different portrayol of them on the news at night. Hamas is a terrible organization that has resorted to disgusting and base measures to express their anger, but Israel has and is committing horrible atrocities and injustices to humanity thereby sparking into existence such organizations. I swear to you now that for every martyr they make of the Hamas leadership, it will only bolster their ranks and will two-fold.

[Jasse]

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There isn't a training program to be a Hamas leader. It isn't like they are qualified brain surgeons that when you kill all of them, you have to spend time to train a new one.

Israel has killed 2 moderate Hamas high ranking officials in the last 6 months, who had been at least willing to postpone their attacks for a later century. That doesn't help at all. And killing the Hamas leader will just put someone that is more extreme in power. Until, of course, they reach the limit of extremism (which they haven't by the way), and then it will just maintain at that point of course.

They need to find a different way of disabling Hamas, but yes, it definietly needs to be done.

In what way were they moderate, yassin who has helped wreck peace chances numerous times and wanted all jews in the middle east dead, or the new guy who called for jewish blood at the death of yasin and promised no peace?

Syke, i don't believe it has boosted their ranks at all, maybe further agered present members. And when their effecivness is so reduced what is the problem with it, stopping them killing civilians is the main aim.

[MeeniMyniMo]

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Perhaps Hamas see themselves as guerilla fighters, trying to eject an enemy that has been occupying their land since 1967, in contravention of international law and in defiance of the UN.

Hamas is a Syrian group under their government therefore they cannot be "called guerilla fighters trying to eject an enemy that has been occupying their land since 1967"

[Phased]

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In what way were they moderate, yassin who has helped wreck peace chances numerous times and wanted all jews in the middle east dead, or the new guy who called for jewish blood at the death of yasin and promised no peace?

To clarify, I was not talking about the 2 leaders of Hamas. There were 2 others, who way have actually come to lead Hamas, ad they not been killed.

[roxbury]

It looks like Israel wants to keep the circle of violence up so they can gobble up as much land as possible before someone sets the foot down and draws up some clear borders. If there are any Palestinians left by then. And if someone will ever put the foot down.

[Forgotten One]

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Perhaps Hamas see themselves as guerilla fighters, trying to eject an enemy that has been occupying their land since 1967, in contravention of international law and in defiance of the UN.

hmm.. I don't even see how they pull that one off.. being that they have been kicked out of how many other countries that have islam as a religion... none of them want them and yet israel is suppose to put up with them?

[batman40]

Hamas is a terrorist organisation. So was the African National Congress. Nelson Mandela was the terrorist leader of a terrorist organisation. Now he is the Saint of Freedom.

One man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.

Without the policeies of the US and Israel, Hamas could never flourish. IT does because terrorism will always flourish in the face of persecution and decimation. Today we are supposed to remember the Jewish Holocaust. I do and mourn. I also mourn for the Palestinian Holocaust and the many victims that will happen on both sides.

Killing leaders of Hamas or of the Palestinian people will only make Israel less safe. One only needs to look to the examples of Iraq to see that. The coalition may have won the war but are badly losing the "peace".

[Voice of Reason]

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Hamas is a Syrian group under their government therefore they cannot be "called guerilla fighters trying to eject an enemy that has been occupying their land since 1967"

Look here ,

"The Hamas (a word meaning courage and bravery) is a radical Islamic organization which became active in the early stages of the Intifada, operating primarily in the Gaza Strip but also in the West Bank. "

" It defined its highest priority as Jihad (Holy War) for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of an Islamic Palestine "from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River".

[Steigerr]

Israels attitude towards people that have been pushed out of their homeland saddening as it is hypocritical.

Israel was formed becaused out of the holocaust, Jews being persecuted from the homelands and kicked out with nowhere to go.

The same thing is happening to Palestinians, the Israelis are kicking them out of their land and putting them into refugee camps.

The term terrorist is a propaganda tool. Hamas are terrorists to Israel. Hamas are martyrs and heros and freedom fighters to Palestinians. Israel are the terrorists and war mongers to the Palestinans. Ariel Sharon is Palestines Osama Bin Laden.

[Jonathon]

Ive said this before, pure and simple. Someone in one of the Palestinian Islamo-facist(10 for Rush for thinking of that one) groups is going to get a hold of a WMD, even a small one, use it on Israel, and the entire Palestinian nation will feel it. If its not concentration camps, it will be something a lot worse. More than likely nuclear weapons. I personally would rather them take out these guys now, and at least disrupt the core organization of the group rather then having millions die because of a few psychos. Then again, I dont think I would mind seeing Israel go up in smoke *shrugs*. Not really because of anything they are doing to anyone right now, just that the stuff they have done to the US and gotten away with.