Utopia Temple
Main Forum Page Register an Account for Free! Calendar Frequently Asked Questions about this Board View New Posts Advanced Search Login
  Utopia Temple Forums > General Discussions > Polls Heaven

View Poll Results: Can you succeed in life WITHOUT going to college/university?
Yes 334 83.08%
No 68 16.92%
Who voted? Voters: 402
You may not vote on this poll

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Post New Thread Reply
Author Thread
Posts: 21/23
(23-Apr-2007 at 22:03)
College is too fun NOT to go to.
#41  
View Public Profile Find more posts by No pants on me Add No pants on me to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 69/76
(26-Apr-2007 at 07:05)


Acadian, I think you'll do great in a trade. I also think its excellent you're thinking of it. There is a need for people to go into it, and potentially great lifestyle to be had in having your own business in your trade eventually.

I think its become too automatic that high schoolers will go to college. I got caught in that trap and regret it tremendously. Both my parents have masters and are teachers, however they went to school at a time when it was basically free.

I personally think its predatory to get 18 year olds to sign off on loans in amounts that they've never earned in their life--i.e. they don't know what it means to carry that much debt. The recent scandals of student loan companies giving deals to financial aid advisors just solidifies this idea of student loans being largely predatory. It also makes this conditioning of 'needing' college seem quite insidious.

If a someone really has something in specific they want to do, college can be great. But if you're like most of them, you'll be floating along, changing your major twice, thrice, etc, or god forbid, going into the arts. Failing classes and getting drunk. Fun times I had, priceless learning experiences, but my life is difficult because of the debt I carry. I ended up in a skilled trade anyway. I do ok but I would do better if i didn't have the college debt.

Working with your body or your head you face health problems. Basically life is a health hazard. I was prone to depression when i worked inside all day, never seeing the sun, absorbed into a computer (um..heh )

My advice. KNOW what you're going for if you go to college. IF you go to college, know that FAILING a class is very expensive and PLAN to get your masters. I know too many honors college graduates who get paid $12/hr or less. The only ones I know personally who make a living where they can PAY OFF their loans is the ones with the masters.

The sky turns green
Where I end and you begin

Last edited by Seirios, 26-Apr-2007 at 07:10.
Edit reason: $12/hr not just $12...heh
#42  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Seirios Add Seirios to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1825/2515
(26-Apr-2007 at 15:48)


My dad is a construction electrician and his boss is willing to sponsor me as an apprentice once I am done high school (about 2 months) and if I get in, I'll be making $14-$15/hour starting. By the time I am done I could be making almost $40/hour. I am aware that I'll go to trade school (with is a college basically) but I will be doing that for I think 2 months a year or something.
#43  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Acadian9 Add Acadian9 to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 26/50
(26-Apr-2007 at 16:11)


I think succes in life is quite subjective. For some succes in life has no relation at all to their career, for others it does. I do believe that the chance of having a succesfull career is bigger when you've been to college/university, but that's certainly not always the case.

I never went to college or university. I've pretty much been taking care of myself since my 17th. Now, 10 years later, I've managed to create financial security for myself for the rest of my life. I've been earning my money through online poker for 5 years now. Due to being succesfull in that I've been able to invest alot of money into real estate. At the moment I lead a very happy life with my girlfriend and I do consider my life succesfull so far.
#44  
View Public Profile Find more posts by boem boem Add boem boem to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
(Posted as Pip Squeek)
a.k.a. Pip Squeek
Global Moderator
Research Group
Posts: 3012/3092
Donated $2.96
(27-Apr-2007 at 05:01)


Re: Can you succeed in life WITHOUT going to college/university?

Originally Posted by Acadian9: View Post
My dad is a construction electrician and his boss is willing to sponsor me as an apprentice once I am done high school (about 2 months) and if I get in, I'll be making $14-$15/hour starting. By the time I am done I could be making almost $40/hour. I am aware that I'll go to trade school (with is a college basically) but I will be doing that for I think 2 months a year or something.
Good choice... and probably one of the better ones out their... I can tell you right now that good ones make allot more than just 40, my dad got paid 100 dollars an hour working for some one. And now that he owns his own business he make allot more than that. Something that I am 10 years away for achieving...

Last edited by Pip Squeek, 27-Apr-2007 at 05:01.
#45  
View Public Profile Visit Zequovixway's homepage Find more posts by Zequovixway Add Zequovixway to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 113/113
(01-May-2007 at 01:40)
It seems like the definition of "success in life" for everyone in here is being rich and famous (hopefully I interpreted it correctly). Has anyone ever asked themselves what is success in life?

Besides that, what is the purpose of going to college or university? Are you merely trying to obtain a cert/degree? Or trying to pursue the knowledge?

Calm down for a couple of minutes and think of it. You will get yourself an answer. Since there is not just one way to see the life, even a coin also has two faces.
#46  
View Public Profile Find more posts by calnvary Add calnvary to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1845/2515
(01-May-2007 at 03:42)


Hmmm, when I meant success, I kinda meant like having money to live a good lifestyle. I was hoping that "college/university" meant higher education, thus higher income potential, but people had to add in the "other" successful lives-things.
#47  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Acadian9 Add Acadian9 to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Research Group
Posts: 4011/4164
Donated $2.44
(02-May-2007 at 16:07)


Just something i wanted to add.
Was catching up with a old friend of mine, and she told me that she got back with her previous boyfriend (also friend of mine).

He now have just made his first million (Australian) by starting his own business in exclusive branded distribution of wines and such. That was after he drop out of Semester 1 of law school.

Originally Posted by No pants on me: View Post
College is too fun NOT to go to.
I dont know, if you do engineering, it could be the worst 4 years of your life, or the best 7. ^^

Last edited by NeoDeGenero, 02-May-2007 at 16:08.
#48  
View Public Profile Find more posts by NeoDeGenero Add NeoDeGenero to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1/1
(04-May-2007 at 22:20)
I was talking to someone awhile back, someone relatively successful, has his home paid off, his car paid off (Lamborghini), his work building paid off. He was talking about decisions in life on education. He says he went into something that no one goes into, forestry. Currently hes making an assload of money as an environmental consultant. He says theres lots of people out there who don't know what to do with their life so they keep going back to school to get more degrees when it never helps them.
I have 2 cousins, both got their MBAs at Oxford and one of them is now going for a degree at Harvard. Point being is, why waste time? They're both going to become Charter Accountants and a degree at Oxford is MORE than enough. (not to mention they're probably going to marry very rich, one of them already did)
The point here is that education opens up a huge window of job opportunities while it isn't a necessity. As a pilot, I only have my high school grad as my highest level of education. I sacrifice having an university degree to fall back on by being able to apply for an airline at a younger age being able to work and study full time with them. Ofcourse if aviation doesn't work out for me, I'm screwed, but with China expanding this fast, it's pretty hard to get screwed when you're a young pilot.
#49  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Midgetboy Add Midgetboy to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 79/172
(08-May-2007 at 02:00)


Tertiary education isn't essentilal to have. You don't have to have it to succeed in life.

But it certainly helps if you want to succeed at being a medical doctor.
#50  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Faraway14 Add Faraway14 to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1702/2825
(08-May-2007 at 14:58)


Quote:
Sure there's denying, and a lot more then that. He's one of the most unsuccesful people that I've ever heard of
Obviously here we are talking about material success.And looking at his multi million if not bilion dollar empire i would say that despite his personal life being rather tragic his material success is undeniable.

Quote:
Point being is, why waste time?
Well education is not only about finding a job.Some people enjoy learning new things and the best place to do this is an university

And of course there always those people who go for multiple degree because they like university life and want to live it for as long as possible

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common; they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views

Last edited by DHoffryn, 08-May-2007 at 14:58.
#51  
View Public Profile Find more posts by DHoffryn Add DHoffryn to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1384/1426
(09-May-2007 at 21:14)


in a world where the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer, i would go to college if you can afford it. its all about the speed with which you're going to be well off. of course i play life like i used to play utopia, i'm all about maximizing gains.

Last Member of the Church of Valek
-------------------------------------
Insert something witty here.
"I have not yet begun to fight!" -John Paul Jones
#52  
View Public Profile Visit Dead Canaanite's homepage Find more posts by Dead Canaanite Add Dead Canaanite to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 3/5
(12-May-2007 at 12:17)
Re: Can you succeed in life WITHOUT going to college/university?

Success in life, for me, isn't measured in how many dollars I make. Life is worth a little more than that to me.
#53  
View Public Profile Find more posts by jymz Add jymz to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 3/6
(14-Jun-2007 at 04:10)
Maybe

A lot of good points here. However, as someone who is in their 30's and seen a lot more life than "you youngsters" here, take this advice: Go to college and then decide. You are too young to decide what you "think" you need and how you "think" the world works. You WILL be limiting yourself by NOT going to college, even if you don't think so. I have read your posts; you are intelligent. Go to college and then decide. ONLY THAT will allow YOU to decide. Otherwise, your decision is perhaps more in your comfort zone, but nonetheless, limiting. And you don't seem to be the kind of person (from your posts) who allows others to limit you. So, know that going to college won't grant you heaven, but it does teach critical thinking, and in addition, is necessary for most jobs. Why limit yourself to "only those jobs which don't require college"? WHY LIMIT YOURSELF AT ALL?
#54  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Tower2 Add Tower2 to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Global Moderator
Research Group
Posts: 2941/3397
Donated $25.30
(16-Jun-2007 at 09:01)


It depends greatly on what you measure success by.
So, yes you can.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
R.I.P. InJustice!
Hit me up on Facebook

EWE-tah
#55  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Saint Sinner Add Saint Sinner to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1559/1562
Donated $3.00
(17-Jun-2007 at 20:16)


I was in the same situation when I was your age. Decided to go into the trades.
Was making 40k not including side jobs a year at age 18. Did that for about 2 years
untill I couldn't stand it anymore. Enlisted in the Military.

Currently going into my second year of service, Doing a year deployment. Not
to brag but extremely good at my MOS. Communication specialist, Working with grunts.
Once I get out of the Marines, I can start off working for communications
companys making 60-70k a year.

But I plan on attending college once I get out. Find something I enjoy doing.
Its a big Plus when applying for jobs. On top of having a military background
Its an even bigger plus. And if all else fails, I can fall back on my trade or military skills.



*bangs javelin* sold! to the emu with the donuts!
Mmm...donuts
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Visit Trpg
<rose> you eat it with your penis?
#56  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Evil Homer Add Evil Homer to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 5/5
(21-Jun-2007 at 19:46)
Bam

Did Bam Margera go to University or College?

He didn't even graduate High School - he had to go back and finish it. Pretty successful guy if you ask me though
#57  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Hammers Add Hammers to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 331/331
(23-Jun-2007 at 20:43)


Secondary education is definetly not required to suceed in life. Secondary education does open up alot of new doors for people in the future, but I've known to many people who go in for their degrees and spend 4 years going to school for nothing and end up going back to some dead end job.

I tried going to college right when I graduated in 2005, but it wasn't for me. I wanted to take some time off and just work and make some good money. Well I am now 19, working in a sawmill as a supervisor making 80,000 a year. I'm putting a way a good portion of what I make a month away incase I need something to fall back on, and head back to University.

I think the biggest mistake people make when choosing to go or not, is that they rush themselves. Be sure you're ready for Univeristy and not waste loads of cash for nothing.

Necos
Quendi of Taure en'Arvandor
173136199
#58  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Necos Add Necos to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Global Moderator
Posts: 7331/7404
Donated $41.00
(28-Jun-2007 at 01:37)


exclamation mark

You sure can, I know at least 10 people off the top of my head that make over 50 G's a year and only graduated high school and I can think of two that make over 30 G's a year who have dropped out of High School. If you have a skill and your good at it (especially labor) you can make some bank and be sucessful even own your own business one day or be the boss even if you don't go to college.

BUD LIGHT
145847903/Davevalek/Insanity
I am one of a kind, the only one you'll find. I am me and nothing else...
#59  
View Public Profile Find more posts by Valek Add Valek to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Posts: 1/1
(28-Jun-2007 at 02:39)
Quote:
It really depends on your concept of success. I believe success is related to knowledge, not money. Therefore, no, I do not believe you can truly be successful without some sort of secondary education. There are probably some exceptions, but generally you need school to learn.
I have to strongly disagree with this statement. I understand it is a personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.. but in my eyes wouldn't a persons ability to be happy be the defining attribute to contribute to a sucessfull like?

he could spend the next 30 yars in college learning useless crap that would never be implemented into his life for what purpose? if he isn't going to make use of theknowledge there is no point in learning it?

if the plumbing and electrical industries are really a point of interest and that is what you fell will make you HAPPY then do it man. onew thing i'm sure you have heard from teachers/parents/tutors /guest speakers etc. Don't ever commit yourself to a career in a job you won't enjoy. if you don't enjoy the job you won't give it 110% for the next 40 years of your life.

the end goal in everyones life is to be happy. for some this means big house, fancy car, lots of "stuff" for others this means cottage in the woods 2 miles away from civilization, to someone else this might mean owning a guitar a van and a tank of gas.

whatever makes you happy
#60  
View Public Profile Find more posts by MAlaise Add MAlaise to your Buddy List Reply with Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump:

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why do some people wish to live in olden times ? Grashnak Respectable General Discussions 25 01-Jun-2006 07:53
Meaning of life, volume 3148 Gotterdammerung Religious Discussions 47 05-Feb-2006 07:23
What motto DO you live your life by? (not what motto you want to live your life by) GarrX Polls Heaven 18 27-Jun-2004 15:24
Real Life vs. Utopia Royal Assassin3 Polls Heaven 27 06-Sep-2003 19:02
Honor.... Wrayth83 Utopia Discussions 7 25-Dec-2001 16:28


All times are GMT+1. The time now is 19:28.

Powered by vBulletin (modified)
Copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.