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(02-Mar-2003 at 09:48)


can you prove God exists?

many of us strongly claims that God really exists yet in the inner sanctum of our minds, there is that doubt...do God really exist?

It's a challenge to all believers....

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(02-Mar-2003 at 09:58)
content yes

but only to myself..
you should be able to prove that to yourself...
if you really do believe........
btw feeling the Spirit come onto you is quite an experience....
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A person cannot prove God exists because the belief is based on a foundation of faith. Since faith is an emotion, not a tangible, existing anomaly, there is no way to PROVE that God exists.

So if you need proof of most things to believe in it, then you probably shouldn't believe in God.

If you can accept that some things cannot be explained, and that you sometimes just need to "believe" then you can believe in God.

Both apply to me, but I don't believe in God for the simple reason that I don't need the assurance of an afterlife or a guiding force in my life. I can live my life how I want, enjoy it, then die. I can accept that. I don't need anything else.

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can you prove he doesn't?
thats exactly why this world allows for the agnostic...
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some wise words Tassadar V

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A lot of people believe in God simply because they need something to believe in.
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(02-Mar-2003 at 10:46)


i can't prove to you that God exists. God proves to himself you.

end of discussion

s o u l f i r e
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i totally agree with Lord Drizzt... you can't really PROVE that God exists. If you could, there would be alot more Christians in this world than now It's a matter of faith, as Tassandar said.

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(02-Mar-2003 at 11:43)


i agree.

it is a matter of faith.

BUT if you turn it on it's head


Prove God DOESN'T exist....


Oh well. I believe and thats good enough for me

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(02-Mar-2003 at 12:46)
For those looking for more of a factual proof, i suggest reading St. Thomas Aquinas' 7 Rational Proofs for the Existence of God

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You can not prove a negative. You can not prove the non-existence of God. just like you can not Disprove the existence of Santa Clause. While they can not be proved, you can not prove that God does not exist.

You get it?

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well first of you can prove that santa dosen't excist by sweeping the intier northpole/greenland (not all cultures belive that he's from the northpole, and arfter sweeping the entier northpolse you would realise that there is no toy factory :P

about God... in the book of mathew 23 prophersys come true... and some of them are pretty extreme!!! they fortell that they will cast lots for his clothes and that he will be pirced (he got pirced by a spear)

Isaiah 53
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
verse 6... says that we all have gone astrat.. explains why there are so few christians
Matthew 7
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Psalm 22:18
They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
Titus 1
2a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Immanuel means God with us!
and the bible have been proven to be historickly corect hundreds upon hundrets of times... so if all the prophersys have come true, and God dont lie and the bible is historickly corect... why dont you belive in God? rather than some sci therorys??
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(02-Mar-2003 at 15:26)


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you can't really PROVE that God exists. If you could, there would be alot more Christians in this world than now

There would be a lot more of a lot of religions, not just Christianity. There are others out there you know.
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(02-Mar-2003 at 15:48)


If there is a God than could someone suggest why there is war and famine? Isnt God meant to look after his creations seeming that they were created in his image by providing them with food and peace.

People who dont believe in God have made a site and everyone is welcome to look at it www.anti-christ.net

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(Originally posted by Invader 232)

If there is a God than could someone suggest why there is war and famine? Isnt God meant to look after his creations seeming that they were created in his image by providing them with food and peace.

People who dont believe in God have made a site and everyone is welcome to look at it www.anti-christ.net
Interesting site, not sure if it's really about not believing in God, but quite insightfull anyway.

Anyway my questions are:

Does a tree that falls in the florest and there is no one to hear it, does it still make a noise?
I believe that it does, because when ever a tree is observed to fall without interference it makes a noise. It the energy of the fall is turned into vibration.
Can I fully disprove that it won't make a noise if there is no one there? No
- There are no observed/recorded proofs of God, but there are recorded proofs of alucinations.-

Where do souls come from?
It the soul is eternal, where does it come from? Are they recicled?
If it is from God, is he to blame for giving a person differnt/deficient soul or are all souls equal? Doen't our central nervous sistem phisiologic characteristics affect our behavour or is it just the soul?

Get 2 EQUAL baloons, connect them to a 3 ways tube, by blowing thru one end and squezing anoyher, first inflate one to 1/2 and the other two 1/4. Let the air circulate. After DOING this, can you explain it? Do you think it proves the existence of God?

My final point, think of all religions, how do you know your's is the right one? Remember chose the wrong one and go straight to hell do not pass by start and do not collect 200 euros/dollars/rublos...
...and if you think yours is the right one, what makes it and you different from the others?

"Just because you are told something all your life doesen't make it true."

Even if all the expert agreed they might still be wrong.
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Get 2 EQUAL baloons, connect them to a 3 ways tube, by blowing thru one end and squezing anoyher, first inflate one to 1/2 and the other two 1/4. Let the air circulate. After DOING this, can you explain it? Do you think it proves the existence of God?

1+2=3

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(02-Mar-2003 at 16:55)


i was going to edit tthe abpbve message but i couldnt because the page expired so i clicked on back but the page said id have to contact the admin to make changes.

Anyway i mis-read it.I was going to reply with:-

Will you please explain this experiment further.What is a 3 ways tube?

Are you trying to say that because the air circulates this proves the existance of God?

The air ciculates because it makes the pressure equal in all things.(basic physics that we are taught in school).I dont think putting an answer to circulation as "air circulates because god exists".I would imagine that the answer would be incorrect.

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If there is a God than could someone suggest why there is war and famine? Isnt God meant to look after his creations seeming that they were created in his image by providing them with food and peace.
He looks after his people everyday. However, it's not his "job" to make our lives perfect. What would be the point of living then? Everything would be PERFECT day in and day out, no variety, nothing. No news, nothing new.

My point is, the key to God is turning to him in times of trouble, in times of lack of food or in war. It's not to blame everything on him because the world is not perfect and is not filled with perfect little angels.

No, I can't prove God exists. I can only believe and have faith. It's your choice not to believe in him. Can you prove that he doesn't exist?

I didn't think so.

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many of us strongly claims that God really exists yet in the inner sanctum of our minds, there is that doubt...do God really exist?

It's a challenge to all believers....
It's a VERY lame "challenge" imo. I don't strongly claim, I DO claim. In the inner sanctum of MY mind, there is no doubt what-so-ever that God exists. I vowed when my niece was baptized that I believed in God. I wouldn't have accepted to be a god mother had I not believed fully in God. I cannot speak for other people, but there is no doubt in my mind there is a God.

[sarcasm]I just beat you're 'challenge'...do I get a prize?[/sarcasm]

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(02-Mar-2003 at 23:49)


exclamation mark God Exists

God exists, that is for sure and certain. If you do not believe than you are a fool because the proof of him is infront of your own eyes. The fact you and I and all of us and the very universe exists is proof that he does. We are his fingerprint, the proof of his existance because he created us and the universe.

If you decide to believe in the Big bang and scientific theories of life, than you are only studying the exact science of how God created us, whether you realize it or not.

Than again there is no "physical proof" except ourselves and our exsistance which can so eaisily be disregarded as such by the most arrogant person. That is enough proof for me, that and the bible and the feeling and prensence of God and holy Spirit in me. That should be enough for any and all of you.

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