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Old ZRG
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(03-Sep-2003 at 22:10)
it means he lied, it just doesn't say why. and wouldn't you think an all-powerful entity would be above hypocrisy?
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(04-Sep-2003 at 05:53)


tongue

Well yes, I realize that it means He lied... but what I'm not totally sure of is what He lied about. Could someone enlighten me please?
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(04-Sep-2003 at 07:51)


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Well yes, I realize that it means He lied... but what I'm not totally sure of is what He lied about. Could someone enlighten me please?
Ooo, He lied plenty alright. And one of them just happens to be about the freedom He gives. He gave me none, so He lied.

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(04-Sep-2003 at 14:12)


question

Hey jh, I thought that you were a pretty devout Christian. What's goin on here? Did you lose your faith or what? And just for your information, God is incapable of lieing.
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(04-Sep-2003 at 16:01)


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Hey jh, I thought that you were a pretty devout Christian. What's goin on here? Did you lose your faith or what? And just for your information, God is incapable of lieing.
I thought he was omnipotent? Guess I was wrong.

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(04-Sep-2003 at 16:43)


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I thought he was omnipotent? Guess I was wrong.
He is omnipotent, that's the point, Being perfect He cannot make a mistake, so His perfection would not allow Him to lie.
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(04-Sep-2003 at 16:46)


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He is omnipotent, that's the point, Being perfect He cannot make a mistake, so His perfection would not allow Him to lie.
So he could lie if we wanted to, as opposed to George Washington, he just doesn't want to?

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(04-Sep-2003 at 16:47)


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what?

That statement doesn't make sense to me. What are you trying to say?

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(04-Sep-2003 at 17:05)


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what?

That statement doesn't make sense to me. What are you trying to say?
I'm saying that lying may have a purpose. Therfore it does not necessarily reult from error or imperfection.

I also think it's quite arrogant of you to decide what God can or cannot do.

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(04-Sep-2003 at 20:01)


It's a very simple point. (the following paragraph is assuming that you're right).
If god is omnipotent, then he is capable of lying. Being perfect, he wouldn't do so without a damned good reason. However, if he so chose, obviously he could lie.
(end assumption)
Your claim that god cannot lie disagrees with your claim that god is omnipotent. Make up your mind.

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It's a very simple point. (the following paragraph is assuming that you're right).
If god is omnipotent, then he is capable of lying. Being perfect, he wouldn't do so without a damned good reason. However, if he so chose, obviously he could lie.
(end assumption)
Your claim that god cannot lie disagrees with your claim that god is omnipotent. Make up your mind.
Even if God could lie, that would bring up the 'Euthyphro Dilemma'.

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Is God 'good' because He does good things, or are things good because God does them? The dilemma is this: if God is good because he does good things, this means that the concept of 'good' is external to Him, that He is literally forced to submit to a Law higher than Himself. On the other hand, if things are good because God does them, then God could apparently do the most atrocious things, and they would still be 'good'. -Socrates

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