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(09-Feb-2004 at 21:24)


freak the illuminati - conspiracy - belief ? can we have a vote over whether it is true ?

keep buggin my mind sometimes over at least for how far this is true

global excerpt of illuminati theorie
http://www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm
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The Illuminati (or Moriah as they prefer to call themselves these days) is a very secretive group of occult practitioners who have been around for thousands and thousands of years.
THE ILLUMINATI AND THE BLACK NOBILITY



Those people are the top players on the International playground, basically belonging to the thirteen of the wealthiest families in the world, and they are the men who really rule the world from behind the scene (yes, they are mostly men, with a few exceptions). They are the "Black Nobility", the Decision Makers, who make up the rules for presidents and governments to follow, and they are often held from public scrutiny, as their action can't stand being scrutinized. Their bloodlines go back thousands and thousands of years, and they are very careful with keeping those bloodlines pure from generation to generation. The only way to do so is by interbreeding.

Their power lies in the occult and in economy - money creates power. The Illuminati own all the International banks, the oil-businesses, the most powerful businesses of industry and trade, they infiltrate politics and they own most governments - or at least control them. An example of this is the American election for presidency. It is no secret that the candidate who gets the most sponsorship in form of money wins the election, as this gives the power to "un-create" the opposed candidate.

And who sponsors the "right" candidate? The Illuminati do. More often than not they sponsor both sides to have a game going. They decide who will be the next president, and they see to that their man wins, even if they have to cheat like they did in Florida when President George W Bush "won" over Al Gore. Most president campaigns are financed with drug money, which is understandable if you know that the Illuminati run the drug trade industry as well. Elections are really not necessary, but they let us vote so we can have a game, and by letting us, they pretend to follow the Constitution.

But is the President really running the game? Not the least. The power does not lie with the politicians, but with the Illuminati, whose top members are mostly International Bankers. The leading candidates for Presidency are carefully chosen from the occult bloodlines of the thirteen Illuminati families, and if we research all the Presidents of the United States from the beginning and up to now, we will see that almost all of them are of the same royal bloodline, and they are all "family"; related by ancestry and family trees. Royalty is equivalent to the Illuminati.

So what are the goals of the Illuminati? To create a One World Government and a New World Order, with them on top to rule the world into slavery and fascism. This is a very old goal of theirs, and to understand it fully, one must realize that this goal isn't of a kind that's supposed to be obtained within one lifetime - it has been a goal that slowly is to be accomplished over a long period of time.

This goal has been planned away from the public's prying eyes, in secrecy within the Secret Societies. All Secret Societies with secret grades of initiation are owned and controlled by the Illuminati, and Freemasonry is maybe the best known. The persons who control the societies and the Illuminati are occultists and Satanists, and they practice Black Magic. Their God is Lucifer. "The Light Bearer", and by occult practices they manipulate and influence the masses. It doesn't matter if you and I believe in this or not, as long as they do. And they take it very seriously.

From the occult, mind control and Intelligence have developed. By taking over the Movie Industry, the Record companies, and by their control of the Fine Arts, they know how to influence the teenagers to dance to their own tune and accept their kind of reality. This makes sense if you look at what kind of "entertainment" we are enforced to enjoy.
The same thing goes with Hollywood, which is also controlled and created by the Illuminati. The "E.T"-movies, Dooms Day films and catastrophe-movies all align with the purpose to influence us in certain directions. Satanic movies have also been made popular. All to prepare for days to come ...

I told you above that the men who control the Illuminati are members of thirteen wealthy families. Who they are have been a well hidden secret, and the leadership has gone from man to man over generations. Nevertheless, no secrecy is kept forever, and sooner or later there will be leaks, so also in this case. Not many people know who these families are exactly, but quite recently this has become known, due to people from Illuminati who have left the Order and revealed the most remarkable data. So here are the names of the 13 families - the Secret Government.

1. Astor
2. Bundy
3. Collins
4. DuPont
5. Freeman
6. Kennedy
7. Li (Chinese)
8. Onassis
9. Rockefeller
10. Rothschild
11. Russell
12. van Duyn
13. Merovingian (European Royal Families)

Those families can be studied in more details in Fritz Springmeier's excellent book: "The Bloodlines of the Illuminati".



Secret societies



The Secret Societies have been present in the history of man for a very long time. It all started thousands of years ago with the "Brotherhood of the Snake", a secret society that refers to Satan (the Great Serpent) back in the Garden of Eden. The Illuminati consider Satan being to good God and the Old Testament God to be evil. Their opinion is that Satan gave man knowledge, while God tried to suppress the same. From this viewpoint Satanism was developed and is practiced within the secret societies up until this day.

There are different theories as of where the secret knowledge within the secret societies comes from, and I am going to mention the two most common theories:

In the Sumerian Scriptures, which go back at least 6000 years, the stone tablets tell us about the Anunnaki "they who from heaven came". According to researchers like Zachariah Sitchin, David Icke and William Bramley, the Anunnaki were the Gods mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible, and they were aliens who came from another planet and created humankind as a slave race to serve them. The Sumerian Scriptures tell us about Anu, who was the king of the Anunnaki, and Ea (or Enki), who is equivalent to Satan. He is told to be the one who gave the knowledge to man in the Garden of Eden, and created the first secret society, the above mentioned "The Brotherhood of the Snake". The Anunnaki is said to have come here to exploit the resources of the Earth; especially gold, as this was something they were lacking on their planet, and they urgently needed it as an important ingredient in their atmosphere. Thus Ea, who was a brilliant scientist, created homo sapiens as a hybrid between a primitive earth life-form and the alien race.

First homo sapiens was only meant for slave labor and couldn't breed. Later on this was changed. Ea didn't like, though, how his created race was treated by his people, and wanted to enlighten them by teaching them who they were and where they came from. He also wanted to tell them the well hidden truth that each individual is a spirit inhabiting a body and that after body death the spirit lives on and reincarnates on Earth.
(David Icke, who has researched the Illuminati for decades, claims that the top Illuminati bloodlines are shape shifting reptilians, aliens not from space, but from another dimension, and that THEY actually are the Anunnaki "Gods". According to him, they are the ones in charge of the secret societies. Those entities have the ability to shape shift into human form, and he says he has hundreds of witnesses who have seen them shape shift back into reptilian form.)
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The truth is; in the background throughout all history there are secret societies. The original Brotherhood soon split up in cults, when certain people on top were in disagreement with each other. Different powers of control developed, where they fought against each other internally (which still is the case today), out of sight from an ignorant population. They invented the different religions and sects and cults so man would be busy doing something else instead of looking into what the Brotherhood actually was doing. They put themselves in charge of the churches to entrap people and to spread conflicts between different belief systems. Most wars throughout history have been religious wars.

Out of the original Brotherhood came Freemasonry, the Rosicrucians, The Knight Templars, Ordo Templi Orientis, Knights of Malta and more. The vast majority of people involved are good people, who are ignorant of what is practiced on the highest levels; unaware of that up there is Satanism and worship of the dark forces. They don't serve God, they serve Satan or Lucifer, and this is the key to what is happening in the world of today.

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(10-Feb-2004 at 01:45)


Secret Societies are started out of the natural urge to feel special. Kind of like a "no girls allowed" club when you are six. Of course they exist, but are they powerful? No.

It is impossible to maintain perfect secrecy and perfect control at the same time. There will be people who make billions by their efforts alone, and no matter what control secret societies can have over media etc. people can and will elect pariah candidates.
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(10-Feb-2004 at 01:52)
Read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. All about the illuminati. I thought that illrminati means "the enlighten one"? It was suppose to be an anti-Christ group during the Renaissance. It later evolve into the Moriah as you have said.
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(10-Feb-2004 at 03:41)


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(Originally posted by Royal Assassin3)

Secret Societies are started out of the natural urge to feel special. Kind of like a "no girls allowed" club when you are six. Of course they exist, but are they powerful? No.

It is impossible to maintain perfect secrecy and perfect control at the same time. There will be people who make billions by their efforts alone, and no matter what control secret societies can have over media etc. people can and will elect pariah candidates.
I don't look around and you see lots of illuminati imagery like look at your dollar bill the all-seeing eye in the pyramid? seem alittle out of place?

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(10-Feb-2004 at 05:00)
they're still around i think...basically a group which worships intelligence and competance; rather like a slanted type of buddhism.

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(10-Feb-2004 at 06:47)


well i have no proof -

but remarkable, the 666 in all barcodes (at least in europe, dont know about the states or other countries)
and the white house in the place of lucifer in the pentagram, in the street map of washington
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How can so many of those families be American, if the bloodlines have been kept pure for thousands of years? It's unlikely that so many of them went to the US in its short ~300 year existance.

For the rest of it... rubbish, they would not be able to pull it of. And for that sake, if they are so damned powerfull, they surely control the internet, and would easily make sure that this post (and others that are beeing posted) would never make it for long. There are ways of controlling what gets posted you know.

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Read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. All about the illuminati. I thought that illrminati means "the enlighten one"? It was suppose to be an anti-Christ group during the Renaissance. It later evolve into the Moriah as you have said.
Illuminati means to be enlightened, "The Enlightened ones". To illume something is to shed some light on it.

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Illuminati means to be enlightened, "The Enlightened ones". To illume something is to shed some light on it.

The word Illuminati means 1. People claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to a subject. 2. Illuminati Any of various groups claiming special religious enlightenment. Latin illmint, from pl. of illmintus, past participle of illminre, to light up. See illuminate. These definitions are taken from "The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language".
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How can so many of those families be American, if the bloodlines have been kept pure for thousands of years? It's unlikely that so many of them went to the US in its short ~300 year existance.
Well if I believed in far reaching secret societies I could understand the high number of Americans. In a newly developing country there are numerous opportunities to gain an institutionalized foothold. Much easier than say getting into the British Royal Family for example. Hence it would make sense for a large number of illuminati to migrate to the U.S. especially during it's formation.
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(10-Feb-2004 at 18:55)


Damn, JFK was a reptilian shape-shifter? Didn't shift around that bullet from the Textbook Depository, though, did he?

Now really, nice story, and i am sure you can prove some parts of this to be true. but to believe in a worldwide age-old conspiracy founded by aliens who wanted to add gold to their atmosphere (?) is a little much to ask for.

i think an easier explanation is this one: the rich want to stay rich, that's why they act in similar ways, and cooperate at times. that's why they seek to influence politics.
apart from that, this would be one of the rare occasions where i agree with RA3.
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http://www.bilderberg.org/

The Bilderberg Group do exist. They met in Versaille last year. Both Donald Rumsfeld and Peter Sutherland (former Irish Attorney General, EU commisioner and Chairman of G.A.T.T.; currently chairman of Goldman Sachs) attended.

Whether they are twelve foot tall lizards is another question!

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yes it explains a lot

like the prinses diana murder,
the assasination of pim fortuyn (in holland)

and what has happened in russia now with

iwan rybkin, russian presidential candidate
his disapearance and suddenly withdraw from run for pres.

and spontaneous burns in
Canetto di Caronia, sicily ??? i dont know

when you 'read between the lines' in todays news, the illuminate are everywhere,
if you want to believe
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I believe they exist, but i dun think they eat flies for lunch !! Shapeshifting Lizards ?! get real man !!

The Illuminati are just people who as Subterranean said, are rich or powerful and seek to keep it that way. but i'm inclined to believe that they are also leading the world and want to reach their "Grand Design", which is ofcourse every other lunatic's dream, world domination, a New World Order as you said !!

but lizards !? niaaaaaaahahahahahhahaaa !! shti, this is really funny !! if they existed for lke those 6000 yrs u said as lizards then we wouldn't have seen mosquitos or flies today !! maybe they are the remains of the dinosaurs that once ruled the earth !??! or.... YES !! they are dragons !! my advice... cut back on the Dragonlance novels !

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I have to admit, I did not read the whole post (I stopped at aliens and lizards).

From what I have read on the subject (and that is extremely little), The Illuminati were a group of educated bankers and merchants that help spread liberal philosophy before and during the French Revolution, mainly though clandestine print presses and the sort. They were eliminated (during a single raid on a tavern, I believe) during “the reign of terror” that followed the French revolution.


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I don't look around and you see lots of illuminati imagery like look at your dollar bill the all-seeing eye in the pyramid? seem alittle out of place?
They are Masonic symbols, and I don't believe anyone contests that many of the founding fathers and early American political elite were freemasons.
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(David Icke, who has researched the Illuminati for decades, claims that the top Illuminati bloodlines are shape shifting reptilians, aliens not from space, but from another dimension, and that THEY actually are the Anunnaki "Gods". According to him, they are the ones in charge of the secret societies. Those entities have the ability to shape shift into human form, and he says he has hundreds of witnesses who have seen them shape shift back into reptilian form.)
*Wonders why this has not been on the news...*

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The Illuminati absolutely positvily does not exist.



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How can you VOTE on whether something is true or not? Either it's true or it isn't. Majority opinion doesn't change it.

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Reminds me of Deus Ex. Lots of "Conspiracy" there. Majestic 12, Men In Black, Illuminati, Echelon <some Roman numeral> controlling something (don't want to ruin the cool storyline), Triads, etc.

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(14-May-2004 at 02:51)
wow
*hides his gold from the aliens*

please, that is the biggest load of BS
sure there may be rich people who do have abit of power/control in the world and do influence people but what you posted is a load of bull
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