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(10-May-2004 at 04:50)


Hey, you atheists!

Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
7. What’s the meaning of life?
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?

You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
7. What’s the meaning of life?
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?

You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.

1. You marry someone because you love then in most cases. So if you in fact really love them there is no reason to seek sex elsewhere. Also.. there are not as many females willing to have random sex as there are males. And of course the ones that will have sex with anyone there is the risk of STI/STD's.

2. What is the point of having false expectations. Death can't be boring for you if you cease to think and exist.

3. You have to be 18 And because becoming a pornoholic is just plain weird. Having companions of the opposite sex is much more fun.

4. Regarding Hitler.. how do you punish a dead person? And how do you explain all the death and destruction caused by religious wars? Terrorists are claiming that it is their religious duty to kill americans.

5. Yes I celebrate christmas. Easter and thanksgiving are just days off. My grandparents were religious so we celebrated christmas with them.

6. Well there are many theories. Obviously noone knows what happened as we weren't alive at the time. One common theory is the big bang theory. I am not really an expert on the origin of the universe. As for the origin of species on earth Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection Or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" covers the main part.

7. The meaning of life is whatever you want it to be. I don't waste my team with useless things.

8. No clue what any of them are. Heard of them all but can't remember the signifigance.

9. Not american but Bush is a moron so that may have something to do with it

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i dont really want to get into this whole battle that goes on, and on and on between these two sects, but some of these really do demand an anwser,

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
are you stating that you need relgious beliefs to be faithful with your wife/husband

get off your high horse, there is this litle thing called LOVE, (BTW females cheat too, infact 15% of all children are not their fathers child as belived by the father, although i dont know what country this studty was done in, im guessin the US)
anway back to the point, My parents are not religious, they have been together for 30 years, and they havnt cheated, because they LOVE each other and wouldnt want anyone else

this is a very narrow mined point of view of yours

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
HAHA you think there is justice? there is little justice in this world, and what if there is a next, then if Stalin on his death bed was sorry that he commited all his sinns, took jesus into his heart, would he not go to heaven?
is his sinns not equal to taking the lords name in vain, one sin is a sin to many, but jesus wipes your slate clean??

not that aint justice!

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
all these things are based on what people wrote down a long time ago, and despite being translared many times, it is still taken as absolute FACT
its like saying, well we found this egyptian tablet saying the sun god RA lifts the sun up every morning and then pulls it down at night

so there is no need to expplain these things

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
these so called christain celebrations are merely collabartions of various 'Pagan' celebrations of the seasons, i will merely continue celebrating these back to the reasons they orignated from, if it makes you feel better
however i wont attubute the changing of the seasons to any god or diety, and will merely trust the physics of planets and sun

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
I think it is a very dangerous thing that bush is so ulta christain, thyinking god is on his side and he is doing gods work
shit if he started to hear voices claming to be god saying, "i want you to bring armaggedon on now push the red button my son" he proberly would

and thats a scary thing

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1. Nothing? (Except maybe my wit and looks, or lack there of.)
2. Perhaps the world would be a better place if people where a little more afraid of death? (Oh and most atheists (not all) don't believe it is a sleep, they believe that it is oblivion.)
3. It's boring?
4. Who said I believed in universal justice?
5. It's a celebration of capitalism, based on roman and pagan festivals. And besides I have worked on Christmas.
6. How was god created?
7. There isn't one.
8. a. She wasn't a virgin.
b. It didn't happen.
c. It didn't happen.
9. I may not be American, but when my PM does it, I just don't care.

Now a question for you. Why do you think my non-belief in god is a major part of my life? Is your non-belief in wish granting leprechauns a major part of your life?
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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:
You forget the most important question: Does God exist? You completely focus on whether or not you are a happier and more law abiding citizen if you believe in God, but ignore if that belief is based on truth.
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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want?
Same thing that is stopping (or not stopping) religious people? Love, respect, fear of getting caught. And as pointed out, infidelity is not restricted to men. In most cases you, in fact, need just as many women as men for fornication.
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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim
At least we don't have to worry about going to hell. And what does this got to do with whether religion is true or not? Should we believe just because it makes us light at heart? Sorry, I don't work like that.
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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world?
Who says there is any universal justice? If we want justice we'd better supply it ourselves. I just read a story about the son of one of the leading nazis who had become a priest. He was convinced his father would go to heaven because he believed in Jesus and had repented his sins before death. His Jewish victims on the other hand wouldn't because they didn't believe in Jesus. How is that for justice?
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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving?
Christmas is just a pagan ceremony celebrating the darkest day stolen by the Christians. No one has any idea if Jesus was really born that day.
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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
No one knows, although physicists are gradually limiting the possibilities.
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7.What’s the meaning of life?
What makes you think it has one?
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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
No different from a million other alleged miracles that happen today too. You will find lots of people claming to have miraculous visions or get kidnapped by aliens. Doesn't mean it is true however. Maybe Mary just wanted to hide her infidelity?
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9.American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Bush sr: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." I'm so happy I don't live in USA!
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Prove that God exist.
What is the meaning of life?
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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want?
Whats stopping you? If you say the fear of going to Hell, I pity you. I don't because I don't see any point. For me that wouldn't be moraly right, and I wouldn't enjoy it.

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Whoever told you that Atheists believe that we go into permanent sleep when we die? To be honest, I'm not quite sure as to what happens when you die (obviously), but I imagine we just don't exist anymore. The way I see it, our brain is who we are, our thoughts and our personality are all stored in our brain. That brain disolves when we die, so I hardly think I could go anywhere when I died. And if I did, it wouldn't be me. I don't believe in the soul you see, I just don't see why there should be one, expect to "prove" that we are "better" than animals (other animals, that is).

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Why would I? Sure, I have no problem with porn, but I just don't see why I would dedicate my life to it just because I can. What's stopping you from dedicating your life to get taste all the icecream flavours in existence? I mean, according to your logic, if you can, you should?

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world?
Like Bernel said, there is no "Universal justice". It's up to us to make our own justice, and bring justice to people who deserve it.

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it.
Well, Christmas is (again, as Bernel said) a pagan celebration stolen by Christianity. In Norway Christmas is called "Jul". The Norse inhabitants of Norway in the past celebrated something called "Jol" on about the same time as Christmas is now, where they gave eachother presents and had a feast. Sounds femiliar?


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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Don't know, and I will probably never do. I think that the Big Bang theory nicely begins to unravel what happened shortly after, but right now we have no way of actually seeing what was before the Big Bang.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
What meaning? There is no ultimate "meaning" of life, with the possible exception of making your species dominant and survive.

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
How do you explain:

- Santa Claus
- The Tooth faery
- Leprecauns
?

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tongue Re: Hey, you atheists!

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Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!
Actually most people I've met, capable of justified argumenting are atheists, since religion is based on faith, and faith in unfounded belief. I've read your questions and they are pretty dumb!


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I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
Whoring is a matter of dignity.
What limits me from fornicating as many women as I can/want is:
A- There isn't enough trust worthy, good looking women with a nice character! Although in Belgium, Netherlands and Denmark the women have some characteristics I apreciate so geography is also important factor. (me like blonds! )
B- Busy scheduel, I do have other things I need to do, aswell as responsabilities.
C- Although I am a MEN, with capabilities as no other, I do have finite (but still amazing) phisical capacity, and too prelonged exercise does cause the acumulation of toxins in the body. Although I would die a happy .
D- Do to C, B and the fact that is hard to persuade women to "share" me with another women, and that those wich I actually can persuade easellier are either ugly (A) or easy or both, then I'm also limited in that aspect.
E- Lack of patience and availability. To be with a woman requires that I invest time comunicating and understanding her (wich can be very patience draining) (A), aswell as helping her and causing a positive influence in her life, and when certain situations arise, hardly can both (in case of 2 women) be handled at the same time.

note i-I already have a reputation of being an womaniser!

note ii- What prevents muslims from having more then a wife?
Did you know the most likelly biggest fornicator in history was an marocan muslim?
Did religion prevented the prophet from having 14 wifes, while saying guys should only have 4?

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Actually when I'll die, I'll probaly rot, and one day either due to tectonic movements or the explosion of the sun I'll probably be atomised, living no trace of my DNA model.
Perhaps the question is how likelly are atheists to die as stupidly as some people do for religion?
Take those suicide bombers, wich want to go to heaven for the 20 virgins and such:
1- They have no proof that there is such afterlife, there is even more proof that Absalom existed, since there are geografical references, yet people don't believe in it. So to make a choice, based on an idealic possibility that no one can prove is just stupid! It is even a worst decision then the thousands of chinese wich moved to the USA based on the promise that it was the land of plenty, and ended up as virtual slaves in mines and railroad.
2- If the women were virgin either they were so ugly or so unbereable that no man ever wanted them, or simply they are underage. So who wants that? (Except hopefull paedophiles)
Besides if their virgin you'll end up going thru a lot complications to solve it and ended up with a bunch of dirty bed sheets.


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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
the fact I already spend most of my time fornicating with as many women as I can!
Did you have some kind of traumatic sex episode, to fear sex that much?

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4 If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished.
I don't believe there is absolut justice, that there is justice in the world, I only believe there should be more justice in the world.
Further more, justice and revenge are different things.

As for Hitler and Stalin, they were good people wich only wanted what was best, to take their people to new heights, and they tried implement their twisted vision of what's best regardless of the consequences to others.
If you allow me to borrow an religious expression, their a good example why "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Perhaps those things are stronger possibilities when people believe in ideals and "realities" far beyond what reallity and facts shows or prove to be real. It takes a lot of faith for that!

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
This is not the USA, so there is no thanksgiving, easter, I occasionally give and chocolate egg to each of my nephews, but that just to make them happy.
Christmas, I do enjoy christmas because of all the food, hollydays and gifts (particulary if it involves sex from the women I try to fornicate all the time)! I also give presents to my family and nephews and some very close friends, with the hope I can atleast make a positive improvement to their life.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
If you can come up with an explanation based and supported by facts and realitty rather then a far fetched conjectury involving the super-natural(imaginary) as opposed to the natural (reallity based) I'd be happy to see it.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
To find more about if click this link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=life

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
The vigin mary, indeed it's a miracle I can hardly explain as to how so many people bought the idea she was actually virgin.
Gabriel or Gibrel, it just so happens I've seen some interesting reflexions about it, such as some of the earlier teachings (acceptance of other divinities) and some revelations appeared to be negociated ("the prophet" was a trader/negociator before that) and extremelly "convinient" given the circunstances.
Did any "revelation" allowed people to know exactly how and when events would occur?

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
I might be disgruntled with many attitudes coming from my goverment, but atleast I don't leave in the USA.


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Q1- Can you confirm the validity of the Quran and provide evidence and proof to substanciate up the hardest to believe super-natural interventions?

Q2- Is there any way I can use the Quran to help me fornicate as many women as I can?

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I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:
1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
Now thats a sexist thing to say.You make it look like only man like to whore around.There are a lot of woman who also like to have fun as well.
And as for your question.Well a lot of things.First one woman is enough for me, second it takes a lot of time,good looks and money to sleep with that many woman and third there is always the danger of STD.




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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
I doubt that religous people die fearlessly.We are all equaly afraid of death.And considering that you are death and can't feel nothing because you don't exist it will be kinda hard to be bored.



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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Nothing except that it's not realy my thing



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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
I don't believe in universal justice


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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Ah no they are not.They are pagan.Christians just ripped them off.Sory to disapoint you.And i can't see any reason not to celebrate them.I am not a fanatic.I celebrate everything that i like
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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Nobody knows.
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7. What’s the meaning of life?
To have as much fun as posible without endangering others or yourself
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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
Easy they are fairy tales(at least the supernatural elements in them)



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Does it say anywhere in Islam that woman have to cover their faces and that they should have less rights then man?
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(Originally posted by hussein)

Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
We atheists have our own morality too, you know. Just because you're misguided enough to believe that your faith is the source of your morality doesn't mean that I have to believe it too. As for your last question (cohabitation), technically, nothing is stopping us, and yet we don't, for the most part, do it. Hmmm....could it be that not all morality is derived from God?!?!

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Again, it seems to me that you're hurting your case here. For atheists, life is so much more precious, as it is the only one we have. Life must be so boring for you believers, just biding time until the afterlife

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
I am stopping me. You see, I am strong enough to take responsibility for my actions and decisions.

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
This sounds like more of an argument that there is no God than anything else. What kind of a God allows this to go on in the world?

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
I celebrate Christmas and Easter with my families for a number of reasons. #1) I like presents, #2) I like chocolate #3) I respect the beliefs of others, and want people that I love to enjoy their religious holidays. I celebrate their birthdays with them, despite the fact that my birthday falls on a different day, don't I? As for Thanksgiving, I have a lot to be thankful for, and it's good to take time each year to reflect on this fact. (Oh...and I like turkey).

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Not being a physicist, I can't give you a definitive answer, but if you can tell me who created God, then I'll be satisfied that there is some fundamental difference between our understanding of it. Otherwise, we both just imagine something that was there, and explain from that point on.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
A meaningless question, do you mean "Why do you live?" or, perhaps, "What is important in life?" These seem like less silly questions. What is the meaning of fish? What is the meaning of chopsticks?

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
These are stories told to make people obey. It seems simple.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Not American, but it strikes me as terrible.

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You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
Somehow I doubt this.

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Because even though i am not a thesist I still believe that sex should be with some one that i love. Just because i'm not afraid of being punished in my after life, doesn't mean that i'm not afraid of the consisquences that doing such things would cause in this life. Why not cheat on a spouse? Respect, love and loyalty, none of which have anything to do with thesist religion.



Why do you want to die a fearless death? I'm fucking afraid of dying, and this allows me to relieze, that the time that i have is precious and should be spent as well as i know how. And isn't that what your bible/Qur'an asks it's followers to do anyways? So, if you do happen to be right, why would i be left out of heaven, when i am 100% sure that i've lived my life better then many thesists?



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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Nothing, except for me. If you religion says it's evil then and you obey, that's your decision. If, I as an atheist, believe that porn is degrading to women and promotes an unhealthy way of life, and sometimes nasty and perverted then that my choice. Both reasons arrive at the same decision, but mine are my own, not someone telling me what to think.

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Who said that atheist believe that all people get the justice that they deserve? Yes many horrible acts against man kind have occured, many of which have been in the name of religion.

Remeber that all of the holy books were written at a time of war and civil unrest, during which it was near impossible to control the masses. How do you stop people from rapping, killing, stealing and destroying a nation from the inside? You tell them that unless they act civil, and do as they are told by the god sent Monarchy, they'll be punished for eternity. Religion was the law to help stop the Anarchy, and to answer all the questions that could not be answered by the scientific knowledge that they had at that time.

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
I was raised in a christian family so early on I celebrated all those holidays for the christian reasons. But now i do it because of tradition, and because most of my family is still christian. I think that many people celebrate these holidays because it promotes family, love and friendship.

This is a double sided question because it also makes religious people look bad too, because most christian kids are more excited about the presents that they'll be given instead of remebering that their saviour was born on that day.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
If i could answer this question, my name would be in text books for years to come. Unfortuantly i don't, and neither do you. You believe that your god created it, but you do not know it, or have any evidence to prove it. And where did this god come from? Because many religions say that their god exists in their belief (the holy spirit). So if we did not exist, our belief would not exist so there for he would not exist. It's kinda the whole egg or chicken thing.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
What ever you want it to be. What is the meaning of life for christians? A period of time before you die and join gob in the heavens, so why would god have this life and not just skip to you real life up in the clouds?

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How do you explain:
- the Virgin Martyr
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
Umm, i don't explain the virgin mary. As far as i'm consered she never existed. I don't explain Gabriel coming to Muhammad, since i don't believe it happened. Just because it says it happened doesn't mean i have to believe it. I choose not to follow things blindly.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?

The question is, how can you theisist tolerate it that this idiot is apart of your religion. He's cause death and destruction and yet still does it in the name of God's America, I would be ashamed to be a chritian right now.

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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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(Originally posted by hussein)

Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
7. What’s the meaning of life?
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?

You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
HAHA! Time to throw MY answers into the pot, ONWARD! WHAT HO!

1)whats to stop me? nothing absloutly nothing. If i choose that the relationship is best served through monogamy, then fine. If we love each other yet for our own pleasure decide to allow relations with other people, as long as it works. your use of the terms "Whoring" and "Fornicating" are not conductive to civil debate though... it do not "whore" or "fornicate", do not foist your christian/jewish/muslim moral terms on me.

2) Afterlife? allowing myself to die because i will acheive some sort of reward later is akin to suicide. no thank you, i would fight with all i have to avoid death because LIFE IS JUST TOO DAMED GOOD to pass up. This is a thing i find most monotheists of the abrahamic tree tend to avoid, they all want to die for some reason.

3) whats to stop me from emmering myself in all matter of pornography? nothing, i like my porno, and once again you are foiting your morality on me with out cause. Pornography is not inherently "evil" or wrong. I make no bones about it... i love my porn, and my sex...

4) Justice is what we make of it... it's manifestation in your eyes is not how it is inherent in the world. you say that those examples required Justice, but if your God is Just, why did HE let that happen?

5) do i celebrate christmas? oh, you mean annual commerical gift giving day. all of those are holidays set by the gov't, i have no prob taking a day off when given to me. do i "celebrate" them, HELL NO. But did you know that most christian holidays were infact pagan ones done up and converted for christian use?

6) how was it created? see any number of theories... can i belive that it was created in six days my an anthropomorphic old guy in a beard, hell no.

7) the meaning of life? Pain and the search for happiness, a seacrh will we cannot ever attain because to know true and absolute happiness would show just how illusary reality is and we would all cease to exist.

8) How do I explain all of those so called "miracles"? i say, the human mind is really complex and can create alot of interesting things... And, prove that these events actualy happend as they are recorded.

9) i am not american, and even if i was... i wouldn't tolerate it, Bush is a moron.


In the end, you list of questions HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A LOGICAL ARGUMENT ON THE EXITISTENCE OF A DIVINE BEING... try again.

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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
Nothing really. As people have mentioned, atheists abstain from extramarital relations for various reasons including adherence to social norms, preserving stable relationships, and preventing the spread of STDs.

There is, somewhat of a biological argument that can be applied as well (since I am male, I will cover the male argument as that is the one that applies to me). For males of any species can adopt one of two reproductive strategies. One strategy is like the one you described, copulate with as many females as possible. This strategy helps the male increase his Darwinian fitness by increasing the quantity of offspring he produces and thus a greater number of his offspring will reach reproductive maturity. This strategy is common among species whose offspring die frequently (e.g. to predation). Monogomy is an alternate strategy used by species in which the quality of offspring is more important than the quantity (as in humans). Here, the male stays with the female to aid in the child's growth and development. This will help the child become more successful later in life. Thus, for humans, monogomy is a better reproductive strategy than womanizing.

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Who said we die fearlessly? To me, the impermanence of life gives life its value and meaning. We have only a limited number of days on this Earth, so each moment of our life is precious.

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Nothing. It's just a matter of personal choice.

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Justice is a human creation, and like all human creations, it is falliable. Thus, we, as a society, must strive to help improve our current systems of justice so that such injustices may not occur in the future.

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Christmas, Easter, and other such Holidays have become so comercialized in America that they haved cease to solely Christian holidays. Do you celebrate Halloween (if you live in the states)? Isn't that a holiday with Pagan roots? Aren't monotheists who celebrate that holiday hypocrites? Aren't non-Mexicans who celebrate Cinco de Mayo hypocrites? Aren't non-Irish who celebrate St. Patrick's day hypocrites? Sometimes, people don't need a good reason to celebrate. Such celebrations are an element of our culture and do not necessarily reflect our beliefs and backgrounds.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Current scientific theory points to the Big Bang as the origin of the universe although much more research needs to be done on that subject. Here's a better question: should we be expected to know the origin of the universe?

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
It varies by individual. I would say the meaning of life is to live life and love life.

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
I do not know enough about those figures to comment on them.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
I tolerate it. I don't necessarily agree with it, though, but I recognize that a majority of Americans are Christian and these things have a special cultural meaning to them. Again, Western culture is deeply rooted in Christianity. To attempt to remove Christianity's influence from our culture would be impossible.

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Ok, so that makes 11 replies that directly argue against your points. How about you reply to them all now?

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1. Because that's not me. I'm not a "whore". My mindset is different than those that find it better to be under those terms, whether they accept that they're "whoring" or not. Everyone is different, everyone has preferences. Also, all Atheists have their own personal moral codes. "Whoring" is something I'm against.

2. I can die the way I choose to. If the reason is necessary, and just, in my personal opinion, then if I die for that cause or belief, the prospect of death does not make me fear death any more than any normal person. Fear of death is natural in most people, even of the devout religious, because there's always uncertainty in a logical mindset. Life is something I won't give for nothing, however, as it is precious. Whatever comes after death I shall accept, but I do not wish to fret over things that I cannot control.

3. There's nothing stopping me. I can do as I please (No pun intended). What's so bad about pornography? When you ask us questions, don't impose your religious beliefs on us. However, I will severely reduce any porn intake once I have obtained a serious relationship with someone, because I want to be loyal to my significant other, and I see actively going to porn instead of that significant other as a retreat that signals disloyalty and betrayal.

4. Justice is what we make of it. It is not a definite. It's a word with a meaning, and we made that meaning. However, I adhere to the general thesis that actions are justified as long as they do not impede or discriminate, or otherwise injure and destroy, another person's life or aspect of life. Just as I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me and ruin my life, I shouldn't be the hypocrite and do that to someone else. This is why murder is unacceptable in our societies, as are many other things.

5. I do not actively "celebrate" any religious holidays. However, out of respect of family and friends, I participate in them and do what I can to make their day what they wish it to be. I respect their beliefs, and since I'm concrete in my beliefs, going along with these holidays in good manner does not shake my foundation, as it shouldn't. Besides, like others said, a lot of those were stolen from Pagans. Don't make a simple day out to be universally important.

6. Don't know, and don't know. Nobody knows. We can only speculate. It's likely that whatever forces existed then don't exist now. Potentially any hypothesis could be true, given that the period from which this universe didn't exist, there were most-likely an infinite number of parameters and thus, an infinite combination of occurrences.

7. Refer to my signature.

8. They were all part of a story. Go figure.

9. Some things I can tolerate, others I cannot. This "Omg Omg Omg America Was Created Under God!" crap needs to stop, in my opinion, because it advocates and supports the use of a single religion in America, and thusly discriminates against others.

Last, I've no questions to ask you.

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
7. What’s the meaning of life?
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
1) my own morals. i don't need to read the quran or the bible or the torah to understand the importance of loyalty in a relationship.

2) i'm not sure what you're asking. personally, i think your consciousness just shuts down and you rot to dust. have you ever been knocked out for an operation? (tooth pulled?) yeah, like that. only you don't wake up. note that the term "atheist" doesn't include afterlife beliefs, just the nonexistance of a divine being.

3) nothing.

4) there is no innate justice in the universe or all that bad shit wouldn't happen. one of my main reasons for not beliving in a divine entity

5) yes, but not because of the religious reasons behind it. i don't go to midnight mass or pray, we have a fancy dinner and give gifts because 'tis the season.

6) the big bang

7) there isn't one, unless you count "to live and to die" as a meaning of life

8) this is a poorly worded question. if you mean "how did mary give birth to a child while being a virgin?" then i respond by noting it's quite possible for a girl to get pregnant without penetration, if that is actually how jesus of nazerath was conceived. i'm not educated in the details behind the other events, so i'll just use my catch-alls: hallucinogens and/or insanity

9) tradition *shrug* such is life
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Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!
I've been looking for an actual intellectual battle with a theist for some time now. My standards are high on just what I call an intellectual discussion. ...Then again, I'm in a strangely un-intellectual mood, so I'll answer questions as I please and pick up the discussion as we go along.

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I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:
Okay, then I want you to answer my questions satisfactor...ily.

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Oooh! I know this one! I know! I know!

It's because I'm fourteen. I have not completely finished the developmental stage of puberty, society shuns people who have sex at my age, and, wouldn't you know it, I don't plan on having sex until I'm at a legal age to pay the consequences of a worst-case scenario! (Heck, I don't plan on having sex then either, but whatever.) What's more, I'm not married, so this wouldn't apply to me anyway!

Plus, I don't choose polygamy, in fact I frown on most forms of polygamy; I do not choose to jump from partner to partner, mostly because I'd be lucky to find one woman mentally distorted enough to like me. It's a matter of choice, really, not faith.

Now, here's my return question: What's this got to do with theism/atheism? Marriage predates organized theism, and long predates Christianity and Judaism, as well as Islam. Lots of religions known today, actually! Some of the religious properties today were done when religion adopted some properties of marriage and inflated them.

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Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
Most women don't tolerate it when this happens, lots of men don't cheat, and wouldn't you know it, women cheat too!

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Well, I for one embrace death, because it is a natural feature involved with living! When I die, my time is up. That's that! I become worm food and the cycle of life commences. There is no eternal sleep; there is simply existence and non-existence.

Return question: How can a Christian, Jew, or Muslim die fearlessly when they know all have sinned and face judgement after death (their afterlife can mean Hell, after all!), and a Buddhist or Hindu die fearlessly when they know they can be demoted to a lower life form based on their actions during their last life? Little thing called "Karma" that is one of the main rules in the Hindu religion, and I've never been to a Buddhist's place of worship, so...

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Simple--I disapprove of pornography for two reasons:
One--It is exploitation of one's desires to achieve personal wealth (the production side), which I think is wrong, and
Two--One should not resort to such desperation if they cannot do anything for themselves. Immersing oneself in stuff like that is just stupidity, not evil. (By the way, what's Penthouse?)

Return question: What's stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse? (Whatever Penthouse is) A book? The Old Testament is the one that makes laws, the New Testament says it will not change those laws... So are you going to base your morals on a book that tells you wearing clothes of two different fabrics is a sin with serious reprocussions? (Near the end of Leviticus, want the passage? I can get it in a matter of seconds.)

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished.
Who's to say there's universal justice? What's more, who's to say these men will go unpunished? You must be making this stuff up. It's complete and utter nonsense!

I may not have a belief system based on theism, but I still have a belief system. What's more, there's something called "law and order". If someone commits a crime, they must pay the consequences of their actions or flee from them throughout their life! How dare you even think for a second I or any random atheist would allow mass-murderers to go along as they please.

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Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans;
And how exactly did he end up dying of his own volition? He was in a city that was marched apon and killed himself to avoid capture. He did not live to be very old and killed himself to avoid cancer!

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Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Yes, Joseph Stalin was a mass-murderer who contributed to the start of the Cold War, as did Harry Truman. However, although he did kill his own people, he was revered among them because it was because of him that the Soviet Union was recognized as a superpower, and after that only America was strong enough to challenge it. Perhaps they believed that they would be able to live at peace without the threat of invading countries? I don't know.
There could also be that little factor of him being on the 'Good' side in World War II and, because he WAS a superpower, being not only extremely hard to kill, but very dangerous to mess with.

Return question: How did you spawn a Christian like Hitler to begin with? If you want to lay the blame on people not involved in those events, why should I not do the same to you? Hitler committed his crimes in the name of God and was a self-proclaimed Christian who was involved in the church for quite a portion of his life. How did Christians, who apparently abhor killing based on their Bible, bring forth one of the greatest mass-murderers in history and then, sixty years later, blame us for not killing him fast enough?

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Christmas was once a Pagan holiday that predated the birth of Christ (it was under a different name as well). Christ was thought to be born on January 6, 4 B.C., and to convert Pagans to Christianity the date of the holiday was changed and made Christianity. I do not celebrate Christmas for its religious purpose OR for what it stands for now (lights, Santa Claus, and presents, mostly); instead, I celebrate it because it's a reason to bring the family close together. Both my parents used to work full-time and overtime, so I don't get to see them often, so I used any excuse to spend time with them that I could grab hold of.

As for Easter, no, I do not celebrate the rebirth of Christ (something that is logically impossible), the Easter Bunny, or chocolate eggs.

Return Question: What does Thanksgiving have to do with Christianity? As far as I remember, the first Thanksgiving (in America at the least) was in 1621 A.D., to celebrate the brief union of Native Americans and Pilgrims, when after half the Pilgrims died off in the winter due to diseases and the Native Americans showed them what to do.

However, we all know that didn't last long.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Well, first, there was really nothing, and then a vacuum released particles, which clumped up, collapsed, and exploded, releasing a whole whack of particles. These particles formed molecules and substances that clumped together and created mass, and the masses built on top of each other to make planets, stars, asteroids, et cetera.

I'm not that good at describing it, so would you mind if I post a link?

It is, of course, of the Big Bang theory.
http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Educa...ang_Primer.html

Return question: How was the universe created to you? (Christians, Muslims, et cetera) As far as I know, God created Earth (according to the Bible), but did he create the Universe? Nothing I know of in the Bible suggests it. And, in fact, if God did create everything in the Universe from nothing, what created God?

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
I don't have a concrete meaning to life, but my signature does. And wouldn't you know it, it's from me. (The first two lines in 1024x768 resolution, first three in 800x600)

Or, if you want a more cynical view: "Life sucks and then you die"

Happy?

Return Question: How do YOU explain the meaning of life?

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- The Virgin Mary was an average woman who married Joseph and gave birth to Christ (no, not the son of God, just a regular guy), as well as James and Judas, Christ's brothers (did he have other siblings? I forgot). Nothing special.
As for the others, 'fraid I am not as well-versed in Islamic story-telling, so I'll have to get back to you on those.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Why not? Who would I be to infringe apon the rights of others? He is exersizing his freedom of religion. Good for him! It's when laws are thought up based on religion that infringe apon the rights of others that I stop tolerating.

I'm terribly sorry, sir, but you seem to be one of those self-righteous people who believe Atheists have no independent morals, have no beliefs of any sort, and despise all religions. I am the opposite! The only religious people I despise are the "I'm-right-you're-wrong" theists and the ones who lord their religion on others, those converters who tell me I'll fry in hell for not worshipping THEIR God, and the people who feel religion should influence law that harms others (I.E. making gay marriage and abortion constitutionally illegal).

I don't need a return question for this; it's one all it's own.

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You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
Already have.

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What makes you think it has one?
I ponder this at a philosophical viewpoint, not religious, so I don't consider the meaning of life to be a religious question at all. It's easier that way.

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Bush sr: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." I'm so happy I don't live in USA!
Is that real? Did he actually say that?! Geez!

Go on, Hussein, answer my questions. You might want to answer the questions of Bernel, SiftyKev, BrandonC, Nimon, and the rest first though. In the order they come, of course.

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I find it offensive that you basically insinuate that since there are no conqsequences for Atheists actions (i.e. punishment from God) that we can do whatever we please with a clear conscience. How about values and morals? Or are atheists not allowed to have those?
I don't think I'll waste my time and answer those questions because everythign I would say has been touched on by all the other respondees in this thread.

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You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!
Something to take note of, 'huseein'...a battle works best when two groups both fight.

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Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!
Wheres our intellectual battle?
We have completely answered all your questions with complete reason.

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Hussein, I say this not to harm, but there is only one thing more pitiful than an Atheist trying to discredit a Christian or a Muslim or whatever with secular logic; A Christian or Muslim trying to discredit an Atheist with secular logic. Try not to justify your religion in the language of the world we live in, it cannot be done. Satisfy yourself with the logic of your religion, don't try to justify it by using secular logic.

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