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(23-Dec-2007 at 06:55)


Re: Hey, you atheists!

Originally Posted by Greeney: View Post
All these control delegations could fit inside situations defined by the categories of intentional or accidental, besides that last one of course, which isn't a matter of answering the question of why or how it fell.
Really, is it accidental or intentional? Let us look at the tree again with examples:
If the soil naturally erodes around tree roots and it falls (beyond control)
If the tree falls due to old age (follows the law of "recycle")
If the tree is infested with termites (is subject to the law of "food chain")
The lack of intention is evident in these cases but can you argue these are accidents?

good judgement mostly comes from experience and a lot of that comes from bad judgement...
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(10-Jan-2008 at 23:56)


I know this thread has been dead for about two weeks now, but if hussein is still interested in more answers, look here:

http://skepchick.org/skepticsguide/viewtopic.php?t=7600

Sabbie found the first post so funny that she posted it on another forum we frequent. I think the post shows up on Fundies Say the Darndest Things too (http://www.fstdt.com).
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(19-Jan-2008 at 19:19)


Do Atheists believe in an objective truth? From my thoughts i had lately i came to the conclusion that they dont.

They believe in what they "see" therefore they believe in a truth from a subjective, personal view only. From this and since there are no "solid" proofs for God they reject the idea of God.

But this is the weakness of Atheism from a believers standpoint. Truth is the subject of definition of every single being atheits while theists relate to the one objective Truth. They may misinterpret the Truth given by God but at the end they all relate to one truth. Theists are united in their belief while atheists are not united.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

peace

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Blessed is He who sent down the criterion to His servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures (25:1)
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(19-Jan-2008 at 19:56)


Re: Hey, you atheists!

Originally Posted by Armitage: View Post
Theists are united in their belief while atheists are not united.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

peace
wrong. Maybe you could argue monotheists all have the same objective 'Truth' but there are many theists who believe that there are many of these gods, not just one. Theists are far from united.

The one objective truth that atheists do seem united by is that God's existence has not been proven, therefore he does not exist. That's what unites atheism.

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(19-Jan-2008 at 20:03)


Re: Hey, you atheists!

Originally Posted by Armitage: View Post
Do Atheists believe in an objective truth? From my thoughts i had lately i came to the conclusion that they dont.

They believe in what they "see" therefore they believe in a truth from a subjective, personal view only. From this and since there are no "solid" proofs for God they reject the idea of God.

But this is the weakness of Atheism from a believers standpoint. Truth is the subject of definition of every single being atheits while theists relate to the one objective Truth. They may misinterpret the Truth given by God but at the end they all relate to one truth. Theists are united in their belief while atheists are not united.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

peace
You're wrong actually. First of all, not believing in objective truth (in the sense of seperate from humanity) is not a weakness. It's merely an acknowledgement of the limited capabilities of mankind.

Second, Atheists can quite easily believe in objective truth, just like believers can believe in subjective truth. Realist Atheists would say that our empirical data -is- objective truth. Our senses give us a valid of the world as it is. Of course that can't be proven, but that's not a problem, because you can't actually prove that God gives you objective truth either, that's religious dogma, just as empiricism is realist dogma.

For a deeply religious person that believes in subjective truth, you should read some of Kierkegaard's work. To him, the only truth that really had meaning was subjective truth, because it is the continuous act of saying yes to a certain idea. In this way, the existance of God is more valuable as a subjective truth, because it is constantly reinforced by faith. It is a living truth rather then a dead truth.

Also, you might want to read up on intersubjectivism, which (in its most powerful form) started with Kant. It is open to both the religious and the non-religious. While truth is not completely seperate from humans for the subjectivist, it still reaches objective status because either a) it is the same for everyone due to the identical make-up of our mind or b) it is constantly produced in the interaction between human beings.

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(19-Jan-2008 at 21:29)


Thought I'd come and have a go at answering these finally.

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Absolutely nothing, thankfully
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Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
Belief in marriage. I don't need a god(s) to tell me not to. I wouldn't marry someone I'm not prepared to stay by.

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Boring? You're dead, kaput, gone. Nothing left to be bored
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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Again, nothing. I happen to like the occasional spot of pornography. Some of its pretty damn funny to be honest
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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Nope, don't believe in justice in the world

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Well then, according to you I'm a hypocrite. But I don't go into these celebrations believing the reasons behind them, but go into them because its one more reason to bond with the family, and I enjoy them.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Big bang caused by the eruption of a singularity, with the unfolding of 3 space dimensions and 1 time etc etc, see the works of Stephen Hawking

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
There isn't one 42

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
I don't believe these occured. I dare say Mary (if she existed) was not a virgin, and Muhammad made things up, probably with the intention of making people live better lives.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Not american, but I'm tolerant of other religions, and if they want to do that then fine, just like if you believe Islam, I'm not going to tell you not to

Spectre: I'm cold
Me:*Sends picture of tits* That should warm you up gap Spectre: Only a small region
Me: Or maybe this *Sends picture of couple screwing* gap Spectre: the rest of me is still cold
AMYQ: small huh???
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