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(11-May-2004 at 01:59)


Most of the answers to those questions are: We are still fucking human dickwad. We aren't animals because we don't think eternal punishment is coming. Yeah it would be comforting to know that bad people will get theirs sooner or later but life isn't fair. I was born with insticts to want to be part of the group and be liked. Its psychological but it still works. I could be a total ass and just move on to another place and start anew but I havn't learned to be that cold so I don't.

As for celebrations, stick your head up your ass to show your comitment. You think atheists don't have doubts sometimes? Everyone doubts their beliefs sometime. But I see no need to give up the good times with family and friends just because it is religious. Christmas time means, to me, just a feel good time. A time to actually try to be nice.

As for an origin of the universe, try reading "A Brief History of Time" by Steve Hawking. It is just a theory but so is religion in my eyes. Niether has enough proof to swing one way or another but one does have a set of observable rules that can be tested.

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sorry but I dont have alot of time to answer all of those questions. My plain and simple opinion is that all of the original questions are based in the thought process that we all hold the same values as the person asking. My thoughts are once you are dead, thats it. You continue to be faithfull to a person because you love them. Alah and all of them were telling stories. The universe was created in the big bang, evolution has been proven time and again. And some people are quite happy looking at porn for hours on end...and dont care if any one else has a problem with it or if it is even a problem. Holidays are just that, holidays, most people get the day off. In my job that is not the case, so I am lucky if I get to spend thanksgiving with my family.

Finaly before you attack me and think I am some over sexed porn freek. I maried and have been in the relationship for the last 6 years. I have never cheated. I dont need to look at porn. And no I do not celebrate religious holidays. I am not scared of death it happens to everyone. And yes it bothers me that my government is used as a blind to the extreme religios nuts that want to run the contry.

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God knew you were going to ask them, so one has to ask, why would God let someone ask such inane and pointless questions?
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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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(Originally posted by hussein)

Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
7. What’s the meaning of life?
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?

You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
1, NOTHING and it is GREAT wtf do u expect, why run around like a tart fearing sex or something else that does not exist

2, cus I know there is nothing there, u live, serve/get served and die, there is nothing after, or wher do the worms go when they die?, where do the cats go when they die? where to the whales go when they die? why would the animal that is human be any diffrent ? cus we can talk ? so can they we jus don't understand, as they don't understand us, but we can teach them "tricks" the same way they teach US tricks, like I am hungry, or I wanna go out etc.. he make u understand what he want as he is tought by you to sit,lay, bark etc..

3, again NOTHING wtf are u talking about playboy is not porn it is normal nudity that is in every paper/movie around the globe, btw I read playboy for the articles
I currently have 50plus porn movies/clips on my drive who give the f**k?

4, um hitler was a Christian, donno about stalin thou, and where u see evil others may see insanity
I am evil in heart, but does it mean I go around and kill ppl all the time and have no friends? no!
as u are a religion peep u see the word evil in the wrong way
btw think many allready said it, but what is evil spelled backwards ?

5, yea why not it gives me gifts, I don't give the flying f"#k why it is there, I am just using it to get and give presents and to be free from work, same with easter, i even did that thing where u run around in the church with a preist and read books as a group and then drink some vine and take that flat thingy in the mouth and holds a bible and they take a photo on you so I could get some money, I got 350euro and considering I was 16 it was well worth it hahaha, 2 years later when I was legal I sent in the request to leave the swedish church, 3 years later all papers were done and I was free

6, Big bang of course, antimatter and allthat sci stuff which other prolly explain better

7, meaning of life? to Live to Serve/be Served and Die, simple as that

8, how I explain it?
think mary was a normal day slut, fucked around as most 16y.o girls does, having a new(or 2) guy every weekend for onenighters hahaha

the bible thingy and other is just early fantasy novels
*wonder what would happend if I would go back in time and drop the books of eddings in a universial language*

9, tolerate and like is not the same, bush is not my president and I doubt the biggest % of atheist are in america, they are prolly among the lesser, considering everytime u see something from usa there is someone saying godbless or something hehe
how it makes me feel? can be annoying at some points but more often funny and make me break out laughting, which have happend in some cinemas haha, everyone turn there head like what is he laughting about


in short, F"#K religion!, it is the root of all "evil"!!
without religion where would the terroist be for ex ?

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dunno if anyone has already said this yet, but in regards to Easter, that was originally a Norse myth. The Norsemen had a goddess named Eastre who was related to spring, eggs, and rebirth (sound familiar?). She was so loved by the Norsement that when the Christians moved in to convert them to Christianity, they refused to abandon her. What did the Christians do? They combined their stories with the Norsemen's story and so came the name Easter, along with the reason for Easter eggs.

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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Since everyone has answered all the questions so much I just wanted to reply to this one. I find it funny that you think Christmas and Easter are only christian based holidays. Parts of both Easter and Christmas have pagan backgrounds. Such as Easter eggs orginated from Pagan tradition, not christian, so if you paint easter eggs by your standards your being a hypocrite as well.
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the main reason behind easter is christian (jesus) but it has been commercialised over the years
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(Originally posted by hussein)
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Hussein, do you as a muslim believe that Jews are the greediest of all humankind , burn non believers, Fight them until "religion is for Allah." , think that you can't be friends with non-Muslims and that they all hate you and want to ruin you?

I could go on and on with the rules of Islam if you want.

What I've typed above, it's all in the Quran and is not my own words.

These are just some of the rules from the Quran, and if you don't follow them, then my friend, you are the hypocrit and the fool.
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the main reason behind easter is christian (jesus) but it has been commercialised over the years
hmm? yea ok

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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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(Originally posted by hussein)

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
I must admit to not understanding this question. What is wrong with seeking pleasure in the arms of a woman or man? As long as it is, performed, with mutual respect an consent there is no harm done.
As for married couples, they are usually married for a reason and quite frankly I do not believe that religious people are much more faithfull than Atheists. Only difference is maybe that we admit our misstakes sooner or later and try to find a solution with our partner instead of begging some imaginary figure for guidance/forgivness. I do not go through life saying "oh well god will pass judgement on me when that day comes" or "inshallah" I believe the choices are mine, just as the consequences.

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(Originally posted by hussein)
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
"die fearlessly"? What on earth is that supposed to mean? if we for one second assume I believe in "dying fearlessly", why would it be any worse for me? And if death is final, how can it be boring?
The question should be how can YOU die fearlessly, knowing Judgement will be passed upon you? Do you presume to know what god/Allah has planned for the world? Are you so arrogant as to wave the flag of god to achieve your own goals and then claim to know he - it - meant it to be that way? Even from reading some religious text you could never possibly understadn the ways of a being like this and as such could never measure its sense for right and wrong.

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Pornography is not a vile thing as long as the performers where not forced into exposing themselves in ways they feel inapropriate.
There is nothing ugly or vile about a naked human body. After all it is how we are born, our natural self. The problem is not with the display of flesh, it is with the people who are unable to control their own urges and thereforvforce people to hide beneath uncomfortable and encumbersome clothing.

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Justice. Such a noble term. yet only a term introduced by humans, to control and impose their sense of right and wrong on people they feel violated it. Hitler and Stalin are dead, that is final. No matter how they died or what honors some of their followers payed them, they are dead and will not benefit from any of it.
Let me turn this question around. if YOU believe in Justice, how can YOU support the kind of religious movements who feel the urge to throw themselves at civilians with bombs attached to them? What cause does that further except the termination of lives? Its is the most arrogant and despisable thing I can imagine to do such a thing in the name of god. And since you do believe in Justice I hope everybody doing/supporting this will burn in the deepest pit of hell for all eternities.

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(Originally posted by hussein)
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
"commitment to my atheistic belief" That is a contradiction in itself, sine Atheism is the very absence of belief. Why do I celebrate it? It is a tradition, even if the religious meaning of it is lost to most of us, it is still an occasion for the family to be together and celebrate love/companionship or whatever else you would like to call it. The origin of the festive is of no great importance if you give it your own meaning, is it.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Why dont you tell me that? If you seriously want me to believe that some supernatural being came along and thought "hey this place is empty, lets create something" you better send him over to my house, because I wou ld love to meet him.
As mentioned before the big bang theory is the one most commonly believed at the moment, and until proved wrong I am content with that.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
The meaning of life is what you make it. I for one do not need a dubious old book to tell me what I am supposed to do with my existence. Live your dream if you can or suffer your nightmare if you want.
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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
Ha Ha. You first gime me proof that those are indead miracles or some sort of Divine interventions. And no, I do not believe some dusty old tome some bored artisan or drunk foll might have written (which is as likely as it being a divine revelation if you think about it. Or did those people have witnesses to the actual revelations?)

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Catholic/Islamic ect Believers: How can you tolerate that people like Bin Ladin or the Pope invoke the name of god to start wars, attack innocent civilians or encourage terrorism? If we chose to see it from e religious perspective President Bush has en equal right to call the conflict a religious one as Osama Bin Ladin or anybody else.


1. How can you force a human being into submission? force them to wear certain clothes and play certain roles in the household?

2. What gives you the right to invoke the name of god to justify killing?

3. What makes you so certain of the authenticity of the Bible ect?

4. Who gave you the right to pass judgement on people who do not share your faith?
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Re: Hey, you atheists!

EVeryone else was posting so...

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Hey, you atheists!
Hey, you muslim

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You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!
Sure, why not.

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I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:
That may be hard, but Il atleast try...

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Respect for your partner, and if I want to sleep with 20+ woman, they agree with it... I see no problem.

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Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
Tolerance goes both ways. She may tolerate it but then the question comes up, do I want it?

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
How you (or any other member of religion) can die fearlessly I dont know. But myself I know that I will fight to the end to stay alive.

Death isn't boring, its nothing...

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
To quote the wonderful words of Mark Twain:
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If God had meant for us to be naked, we'd have been born that way.
So I see nothing wrong with seeing a naked body (prefredly woman:P)

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
I dont belive in divine/universal justice, if you want justice, make it yourself.

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
And stay alone in the basement while all my relatives a having a feast? I celebrate those holidays not for the religious connections, but the the feast with my relatives.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
To be frank, I dont know...

I hope that one day scientist will find out the correct beginning, but I bet that would not be in my lifetime...

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
To live, and then die.

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
Mary lied?

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- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
Muhammad halucinated?

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- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
Muhammad halucinated?

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speechesC?
Im not american

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You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
1. What’s the meaning of life?
2.What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
3. How can you die as fearlessly as a Muslim? Do you think you know what will happend to you after you die?

Insert funny comment here.

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hussein... you're too angry over nothing.

it's all about respecting each other's beliefs and principles. there's no use forcing your own standards on someone else. you won't get a good discussion that way.

by the way, you're still under the age-old and misleading belief that religious orders "created" morality and ethics. if you're still wondering... no, they didn't.
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Re: Hey, you atheists!

I'm not atheist, but I must say you're making us theists look like fools.

[quote](Originally posted by hussein)

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?{/quote}

Well, there's sexually transmitted diseases and the risk of pregnancy...but other than that, nothing really. You seem to make it sound like having sex with multiple women is something they need to prevent at all costs.

Hey everybody! Believe in Jesus or you may end up having sex with multiple women!

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(Originally posted by hussein)
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
Because after they're dead, they won't care. They can't be bored if they're not existent, now can they. Plus, like has been said, they have no chance of going to hell!

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
Besides possible embarrassment if people find out, nothing. Looking at porn is against YOUR beliefs, not theirs. Its a choice.

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(Originally posted by hussein)
4.If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Well, Hitler killed himself because he knew the inevitable was coming, and I'm pretty sure that Stalin was killed by his successor. If my history teacher is to be believed (he's pretty credible, he's been teaching for 30 some years) Stalin was at a meeting with, among other people, Nikita Krushchev, when he suddenly collapsed and began bleeding from his ears and nose. Nikita Krushchev said to the rest of the group something to the effect of "It looks like Comrade Stalin is tired, lets let him rest." and then they all left the room.

Unless my history teacher outright lied to us, both men met their justice.

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
They're family holidays, about togetherness, more so than religious holidays now-a-days. And thanksgiving was never a religious holiday at all, you're just looking like an idiot by including it.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
There are scientific explanations.

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(Originally posted by hussein)
7. What’s the meaning of life?
Last time I checked, us theists weren't too sure on this either....are we? I'll just say that our purpose in life is to better the human race, be it through scientific discoveries or even something as simple as reproducing and making sure our kid is a good person.

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(Originally posted by hussein)
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
If you can scientifically prove any of that, I will eat my hat. Hell, I'll eat the hats of everyone who's posted in this thread.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Even if I was atheist, I wouldn't really care that much about this. It's not like the President saying "God Bless America" is endangering our policy of seperation of church and state.

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(15-May-2004 at 19:03)


Re: Hey, you atheists!

1-Nothing, one just has to make sure he/she takes the right decisions and knows how to take care of him/herself

2- i belive in some kind of reeicarnation or afterlife

3-Nothing... and since when is porno a bad thing? Sex is a pretty big part of life ya'know...

4-Life is unfair, get used to it.

5- All holidays have turned into commercial stunts, and if you knew what youre talking about pretty much all holidaYS have pagan origins

6-Big Bang

7-Be born, grow, have fun, have sex, die

8-Bullshit
-Bullshit
-Bullshit

9- im not american so yeah..

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Hey, wasn't he looking for a debate? Now he's got a dozen different debating opponents, and no reply? Seems he can't handle it after all

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(16-May-2004 at 18:13)


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Hey, wasn't he looking for a debate? Now he's got a dozen different debating opponents, and no reply? Seems he can't handle it after all
that is religion for ya, can't face it, be a coward

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that is religion for ya, can't face it, be a coward
excuse me? your right I am a coward. I've retreated from many foes and many struggles. But I doubt valor is greater than our saviour.

and the IRA are terrorist and their nationalist terrorist buddy. oh and world one and two were caused by nationalist terror. soo yeah shove that up your ass

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Jahwarrior, you I can respect. You have faith, yet you do not succumb to the evils of which Atheists often accuse Christians of. Be proud in this, for I have little doubt that your God would want you to be any other way. It is not my belief that we go to heaven when we die, but if we did, I have little doubt you would go anywhere else.

In your opposite, though, are people like hussein. Hussein commits the same evils that Atheists commit, hussein instead commits them in the name of his God. He is no better than the Atheist who makes a list of reasons why Christians are wrong.

Hussein, I ask of you, why do you need to prove the Atheists wrong? Are you that unsure of your faith? Atheists are often unsure of their lack of faith simply because the world we live in sends a strong message, that message stating that the believers are right. Such is the source of most of their moral weakness. But you, Hussein, you are on the side of the believers, yet you display the same weakness. Is your faith in God so weak?

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excuse me? your right I am a coward. I've retreated from many foes and many struggles. But I doubt valor is greater than our saviour.

and the IRA are terrorist and their nationalist terrorist buddy. oh and world one and two were caused by nationalist terror. soo yeah shove that up your ass
Umm you might want to research that subject a bit more before you post. IRA is also religious terrorist group, not only nationalist. The Catholic Irish want to be thier own seperate state while the Protestants want Ireland to be intergrated into England. Yes the IRA wants a united Ireland, which is a nationalist belief, but their terrorist attacks are aimed at all people of the protestant faith, not simply Unionist.

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Re: Hey, you atheists!

I dont understand this.. atheism is only and exclusively not believing in a god, it doesnt mean that you suddenly cant follow a religion (buddhism for instance) or ideology

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Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
my morals and personal feelings

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
I doubt religious people face death without fear.. its something natural, to shy away from (causes of) death. Anyway, i dont need an ideology to make me feel better about the state of death.
Btw, i dont see it as permanent sleep, when you die, you get destroyed entirely, you dissolve into nothingness, consciousness ends and all that you were is no more. Sounds pessimistic perhaps, but if you ask me its the most viable thing that happens when death occurs

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
personal morals again.. although personally i dont mind the stuff

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
i dont believe in justice in the world... for as far as we try it (through law) it seems to have minimum impact compared to the atrocities that are continually allowed to happen.
But what is your point? Are you saying that this happens BECAUSE these people were atheists? Many gruesome things have happened in the name of religion. People themselves are just horrible and cruel to one another. Whether they use ideologies and/or religion as their excuse or not.

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
Who doesnt appreciate a FREE day? Besides, christianity is notorious for its adopting of pagan holidays. Christmas came from celebrating the return of the lighter days by burning trees and crap, which was exercised by some (west) european tribes before Rome (i think) moved in and christianized it all. Theyve adopted the holiday as a concession to the population.
Also, why would I bother to forsake these holidays? Theyre institutionalized; i can go to university on these days if i want, but i will be standing before closed doors.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
no-one knows and can know. We can only hope (though a fool's hope) that a ton of research might ever find an answer. Though i doubt a certain absolute truth answer will ever be given or discovered.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
Utopia

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
Systematical exercising of fairy tales in cults which have grown too big for comfort.

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
not being american, i do realize that this pisses many people off, and some claim its unconstitutional.

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You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
i dont need to ask anything. Your religion, as any other, is just being used as an excuse to wreak havoc on the world continuously, vigorously and incessantly. I hate any holistic ideology, something that claims to have (the basis of) an answer for everything. While religion in itself is neutral, it has been overabused so many times that ive come to despise it.. though i really should be just despising humans, who on one hand continue to abuse it and on the other hand refuse to learn from history.

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