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(17-May-2004 at 01:28)


Re: Hey, you atheists!

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(Originally posted by hussein)

Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:
I'm agnostic, but I lean towards the atheist side. Call me 75% atheist if you want.

By asking for an "intellectual" battle with us atheists, you're asking for your very own humiliation.

But, then again, bring it on! I've just came out of my 7 day ban, and I'm looking to flame.

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1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
I'd hate to lie to my wife/spouse, or even have sex with another woman apart from my wife. What make you think we non-believers actually do that? My personal judgement, and observations, say that fornication is a good marriage bomber.

And what's stopping you? Hell? If it is hell, I pity you. The only thing stopping you is internal suffering, which makes you a hypocrite. You wish to do it, but yet Hell is stopping you. A pity.

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2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
So? If you expect us to believe in Heaven like a coward just because death "must seem so boring", you're dead wrong.

I'd rather believe in what I want to believe, make the most of my life, and go away into eternal rest.

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3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
What's stopping you?

Me? I'm already into pornography. But that doesn't make me evil, does it?

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4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
Hitler was punished by being pushed into suicide. The Allied soldiers were already at his doorstep, and in his desperation, he commited suicide. Mussolini, Hitler's ally, was tortured and hung.

Stalin, despite his cruelty, DID make the USSR a superpower. There's no denying that. He died a hero, because he brought Russia out of the hell hole they were once in. However, that doesn't mean I approve of his actions either. Just bear in mind, as the world plummeted into a great depression, Russia was still having 100% employment.

Oh, and why hasn't the Crusaders been punished? What about the Salem Witch Trials?

What about God himself(provided He exists)? He murdered so many coz' he was unhappy with them. Why hasn't his actions been punished?

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5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
I celebrate Christmas as a time for giving and showing kindness to other people, NOT the birthday of Christ.

I do not celebrate Easter in a conventional way. Last time I did so, I wrote a 12 page essay on why God is illogical.

I do not celebrate Thanksgiving.

Additional, these "monotheistic Christian celebrations" were originally Pagan holidays. I challenge you to forsake these Pagan holidays, otherwise, you'll be a bad boy in God's eyes, and a hypocrite.

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6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
Nobody is sure. However, the Big Bang theory, and the Mobius Strip theory, are both very credible ideas. At least more credible than some sort of imaginary being coming down here to create things he don't need.

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7. What’s the meaning of life?
My favourite question.

The meaning of life is to make the most out of your mortality and contribute to Mankind and society as a whole. Therefore, I do not spend my money on Tithe, I give it to the poor directly.

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8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
How do you even know these events happened in the first place? Coz' some bloke wrote it down in a 2000/500 year old book?

How do you even know that the writers of the Bible/Koran were not high on crack when they "saw" these events?

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9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?
Why not? I'm not American, but being atheist is not about hating Christianity down to the ground. It's about not believing in God, and thats the end of it. The rest are all on a personal level. In my case, atheism is about dismissing the idea that some bloke is gonna send me to Hell if I don't convert, and make the most of my time to contribute to humanity.

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You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
You seem to be MIA in the first place.

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Hussein, I ask of you, why do you need to prove the Atheists wrong? Are you that unsure of your faith? Atheists are often unsure of their lack of faith simply because the world we live in sends a strong message, that message stating that the believers are right. Such is the source of most of their moral weakness. But you, Hussein, you are on the side of the believers, yet you display the same weakness. Is your faith in God so weak?
A pity you view us this way.

Shows how little you know about Atheists. And that goes for hussein too.

Religion is the mental disease of the masses.
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I know Atheists all too well, Ravemaster. I know the Christians and the other religions that tend to have a large amount of people who wish to impose their will upon me. Know that I don't even like to soil the good name of honest believers and non-believers with such labels as Christian, Muslim, or Atheist because I feel that if I even acknowledge that small session, I have helped those whom I hate steal the life of the persons of honest faith (or non-faith). Hussein has proven himself to be one of those whom I would deem as Christian (or Muslim I believe in this particular case), and you are one I would deem an Atheist. Know this, and know what those words mean to me.

He had a lot to say
He had a lot of nothing to say
We'll miss him

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content haha

what a fine examle you are of a total idiot

I dont have time to answear you, but if you have a brain... you should know the answears yourself?

AND whyyyy (please) oh whyyy believe in something someone has created by his own fantasies.. or maybe used drugs to create
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(17-May-2004 at 15:53)


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(Originally posted by Krazilac)

I know Atheists all too well, Ravemaster. I know the Christians and the other religions that tend to have a large amount of people who wish to impose their will upon me. Know that I don't even like to soil the good name of honest believers and non-believers with such labels as Christian, Muslim, or Atheist because I feel that if I even acknowledge that small session, I have helped those whom I hate steal the life of the persons of honest faith (or non-faith). Hussein has proven himself to be one of those whom I would deem as Christian (or Muslim I believe in this particular case), and you are one I would deem an Atheist. Know this, and know what those words mean to me.
No, you don't. You claim that we are insecure in our faith, while I actually believe there is no God, but at the same time, I would accept any credible evidence to His existence, that is, if there is any.

Therefore, I am not too quick to claim that there certainly cannot be a God. You call that shaken faith?

As for the other atheists of UT, they won't even acknowledge half the existence of God in their debates. I think their faith is far stronger, since they are so certain.

And, yes, I do find Hussein rather odd. No person in his right mind will attempt to actually ask atheists to explain the events in the Bible, like he did by asking us to explain Gabriel and all that crap. He's far too brainwashed to even think twice about whether these events happened in the first place.

Religion is the mental disease of the masses.
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(Originally posted by Pavol)

Umm you might want to research that subject a bit more before you post. IRA is also religious terrorist group, not only nationalist. The Catholic Irish want to be thier own seperate state while the Protestants want Ireland to be intergrated into England. Yes the IRA wants a united Ireland, which is a nationalist belief, but their terrorist attacks are aimed at all people of the protestant faith, not simply Unionist.
Well I thinking something along the same lines but I couldn't think of any other good nationalist terror organization at the momment

militant Liberal Christian..funny string of words I got there
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Ravemaster, if you are so secure of your faith, why do you expend a great amount of energy to explain to others who believe differently that they are wrong? Hussein is in much the same arena as you, for he obviously isn't secure enough in his faith to allow others to believe as they wish, but there is little different between you two, other than Hussein is Muslim and you're Atheist.

Hussein asks about Gabriel. Ravemaster, I think you would benefit from researching Gabriel, especially in an Islamic context. His symbol is a potent one. Hussein too would benefit from this, for he obviously doesn't understand Jabril and what Jabril means.

He had a lot to say
He had a lot of nothing to say
We'll miss him

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(Originally posted by Krazilac)

Ravemaster, if you are so secure of your faith, why do you expend a great amount of energy to explain to others who believe differently that they are wrong? Hussein is in much the same arena as you, for he obviously isn't secure enough in his faith to allow others to believe as they wish, but there is little different between you two, other than Hussein is Muslim and you're Atheist.

Hussein asks about Gabriel. Ravemaster, I think you would benefit from researching Gabriel, especially in an Islamic context. His symbol is a potent one. Hussein too would benefit from this, for he obviously doesn't understand Jabril and what Jabril means.
Then if you are so sure that I, an atheist, am a disease, why do you even bother posting here that our existence makes you sick?

It goes the same for both of us. I allow others to believe as they wish. However, what Hussein in doing here is challenging the atheists, which include me, and I'm just obliged to accept the challenge.

Do the strong in faith not preach to others? Are the pastors and priests so weak in faith that they go around preaching? Does airing your opinions convey a lack of faith?

Oh no. And I don't think you've seen shit out of my 1500 posts. Do not be so quick to judge me, or anyone else for that matter.

And, yes, I do know about Gabriel. Irregardless, it was still written in a Quran, which lacks credibility.

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(Originally posted by RavEMasteR)

Then if you are so sure that I, an atheist, am a disease, why do you even bother posting here that our existence makes you sick?

It goes the same for both of us. I allow others to believe as they wish. However, what Hussein in doing here is challenging the atheists, which include me, and I'm just obliged to accept the challenge.

Do the strong in faith not preach to others? Are the pastors and priests so weak in faith that they go around preaching? Does airing your opinions convey a lack of faith?

Oh no. And I don't think you've seen shit out of my 1500 posts. Do not be so quick to judge me, or anyone else for that matter.

And, yes, I do know about Gabriel. Irregardless, it was still written in a Quran, which lacks credibility.
Wait a minute RM, didn't you not long ago post a post where you said being an Atheist was pointless, and that you were now an Agnostic? If you consider yourself an Agnostic, don't speak as if you speak for Atheists. And if you are an Atheist, make up your mind!

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Nimon, I know that you are not one of those I preach against, and it gladdens to me that you start to see precisely what it is I fight. You see Ravemaster's state of living contradiction, and you see it as wrong. You do not see it as obscenity as I do, but you do see it, and that is all that matters.

Because Ravemaster's disease is so severe and compounded by his youth and utter lack of introspection, it is more obvious in him, but if you look for it, you can find it in a great many. Hussein, here, is similar in that he displays this same weakness, this same disease of the eye. Despite being a part of a foundation that undoubtedly teaches love and being a part of an institution that has it's own definitions of love and hate that it impresses upon him, he still does not fully know the use of both, he only knows hate. If he knew love, he would not persue love by such hateful things as this thread. Love can never be spread by aggression. I loathe to put absolutes to things, but I feel this absolute to be true.

He had a lot to say
He had a lot of nothing to say
We'll miss him

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Wait a minute RM, didn't you not long ago post a post where you said being an Atheist was pointless, and that you were now an Agnostic? If you consider yourself an Agnostic, don't speak as if you speak for Atheists. And if you are an Atheist, make up your mind!
I also stated I was 75% Atheist. That 15% is what allows me to actually CONSIDER the existence of God.

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Because Ravemaster's disease is so severe and compounded by his youth and utter lack of introspection, it is more obvious in him, but if you look for it, you can find it in a great many. Hussein, here, is similar in that he displays this same weakness, this same disease of the eye. Despite being a part of a foundation that undoubtedly teaches love and being a part of an institution that has it's own definitions of love and hate that it impresses upon him, he still does not fully know the use of both, he only knows hate. If he knew love, he would not persue love by such hateful things as this thread. Love can never be spread by aggression. I loathe to put absolutes to things, but I feel this absolute to be true
For once, use the damn quote function will ya? You're going around calling everyone diseases when you can't refute their points.

If I know only hate, I wouldn't have bothered with human rights, or NGOs for that matter.

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(Originally posted by RavEMasteR)

I also stated I was 75% Atheist. That 15% is what allows me to actually CONSIDER the existence of God.



For once, use the damn quote function will ya? You're going around calling everyone diseases when you can't refute their points.

If I know only hate, I wouldn't have bothered with human rights, or NGOs for that matter.
a·the·ist
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Sorry Rave! no 75%; Either you are or you are not! (grasshopper) (do or not do; there is no try!)

BTW What happened to the other 10%

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(Originally posted by PatrioticSpirit)

a·the·ist
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Sorry Rave! no 75%; Either you are or you are not! (grasshopper) (do or not do; there is no try!)

BTW What happened to the other 10%
i believe he is more agnostic then atheist.
Agnostics don't deny nor confirm that god/gods exists. They believe that there is a possibility for god/gods to exist, but the true identity of the god/gods has not been discovered if they do exist at all.
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a·the·ist
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Sorry Rave! no 75%; Either you are or you are not! (grasshopper) (do or not do; there is no try!)

BTW What happened to the other 10%
Sorry, it was a mistake in my maths. It's 25%.

As someone had put it, I may be agnostic. But then again, I lean towards the atheist side.

And no, I don't wish to discuss this further. I do not wish to conform to the standards of society. I am what I am. Take me as I am, or ignore me.

Religion is the mental disease of the masses.
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Actually, he stated he is Agnostic, but is just leaning towards there being no god. However, he is still open to the possibility, making him Agnostic. Similar to America's government. We are a representative republic, but we are influenced by democratic views. So we are truely a republic, but lean towards a democracy (just not a 75% extent!).

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and if it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
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Actually, he stated he is Agnostic, but is just leaning towards there being no god. However, he is still open to the possibility, making him Agnostic. Similar to America's government. We are a representative republic, but we are influenced by democratic views. So we are truely a republic, but lean towards a democracy (just not a 75% extent!).
Well put! I just don't wanna go "Oh shit! You shouldn't be here" when I die and see God.

Better to prepare for the worst. And yes, I said worst. If such a cruel being could exist..., I'd be rather horrified if I continually deny His existence.

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i say we all stop fighting and believe in what we believe in as long as it makes us better people
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Jahwarrior, you I can respect. You have faith, yet you do not succumb to the evils of which Atheists often accuse Christians of. Be proud in this, for I have little doubt that your God would want you to be any other way. It is not my belief that we go to heaven when we die, but if we did, I have little doubt you would go anywhere else.
You have little doubt that he would want him to be any other way? Let's see... Yep... I think I am right in saying that you just said you're pretty sure his God would want him to be different. "Little" is the word you used that threw you off track. If you had great doubt God would want him to be otherwise, you would be complimenting him; however, you have simply done the opposite.

Man, sometimes I love nitpicking people's posts.

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In your opposite, though, are people like hussein. Hussein commits the same evils that Atheists commit, hussein instead commits them in the name of his God.
Welcome to life, population six and a quarter billion. Everyone's a sinner and nobody will repent. My sin? My first and greatest sin would be my disbelief in God and thus I cannot seek retribution because I am immediately a sinner at that. Oh well, I'll fry in hell if there is a hell and if there isn't, all the better--I'll rot, inside and out, and be devoured by worms. Oh goody.

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He is no better than the Atheist who makes a list of reasons why Christians are wrong.
Makes a list of why Christians are wrong?

I'd like to see this list. I'll bet it's full of holes.

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Hussein, I ask of you, why do you need to prove the Atheists wrong? Are you that unsure of your faith? Atheists are often unsure of their lack of faith simply because the world we live in sends a strong message, that message stating that the believers are right.
Haha, you made a funny. Unsure of their lack of faith? That would make them agnostic. Not atheist.

As for my disbelief in my lack of faith, I believe it to be non-existent because I cannot see how an omnipotent being can't pen us up and stop us from sinning in the first place. That and I hate the prospect of creation. It sickens me.

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Such is the source of most of their moral weakness.
I thought that was the human's inability to control oneself. We succumb to our own desires too easily and don't have enough self-control (think of the urge you have to have fatty foods during a fat-free diet). Care to prove me wrong?

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But you, Hussein, you are on the side of the believers, yet you display the same weakness. Is your faith in God so weak?
That or he's so confident in his faith that he thinks he can prove everyone else wrong.

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I know Atheists all too well, Ravemaster.
And that would be because you are one. You lack a belief in a God and you sure as heck don't seem open to the belief that there is one, so you classify as an Atheist. Poor you. I'm not sure whether I should feel proud of you for creating the first double-paradox I've ever seen or pity you for so vehemently abhoring that which you stand for.

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I know the Christians and the other religions that tend to have a large amount of people who wish to impose their will upon me.
Welcome to the club.

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Know that I don't even like to soil the good name of honest believers and non-believers with such labels as Christian, Muslim, or Atheist because I feel that if I even acknowledge that small session, I have helped those whom I hate steal the life of the persons of honest faith (or non-faith).
Really? I thought you didn't want to classify disbelievers as Atheists because:

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I hate Atheists. Your very existence sickens me. Why should the belief that there is no diety or great force in the universe be your basis for a war against those who do believe there is a diety or great force? You Atheists have turned into something that, in my opinion, is much more diseased and hypocritcal than those whom you hate, the Christians, Muslims, Hindi, or whichever religion. I hate Atheists, and my definition of hate involves a wish upon my part that you, the Atheists, didn't even exist. Because of this, I started this thread. I know it will persuade no one, but it allows me to express my wish for your dissolution. If I but had the power, I would cast your ideology to the wind and let it be torn apart by sand, for it does not deserve to exist.
Congradulations, you have officially created a third paradox! I think you deserve some sort of Nobel prize for that.

But not the peace one. Definitely not the Nobel Peace Prize...

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Hussein has proven himself to be one of those whom I would deem as Christian (or Muslim I believe in this particular case), and you are one I would deem an Atheist.
OH! BURN! Hahah... Speak the truth, man. RavE lacks a belief that there is a God. However, he is even more open to the prospect that there is one than I am (I consider myself an Atheist who will accept the econsequences of his "sins" of not believing in God should I actually be judged at death). So I would shut up about him if I were you.

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Know this, and know what those words mean to me.
As an Atheist speaking to an Atheist, I'm afraid to say I know what they mean.

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Ravemaster, if you are so secure of your faith, why do you expend a great amount of energy to explain to others who believe differently that they are wrong?
Lack of faith!

And I believe he argues against theism (or did) because he didn't believe that there was a God. That's quite a big difference, especially since there are a lot of people who start these arguments he argues against. Hmm...

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Hussein is in much the same arena as you, for he obviously isn't secure enough in his faith to allow others to believe as they wish, but there is little different between you two, other than Hussein is Muslim and you're Atheist.
That's quite a big difference!

I also believe you're wrong in the assumption that they are lacking confidence in their faith (or lack thereof), in fact I'm pretty sure it's because they are very confident, overconfident in some cases. And neither are trying to restrict other people's freedoms to believe what they want, I think they're just trying to prove the other wrong. Simple enough eh?

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Nimon, I know that you are not one of those I preach against, and it gladdens to me that you start to see precisely what it is I fight.
It gladdens you to see that he is what you fight? Wow, a fourth contradiction. Okay, lemme explain just what you said.

You JUST said that he is exactly what YOU hate and fight against. Understand?

Really, I'm having fun just nitpicking your posts, dude.

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You see Ravemaster's state of living contradiction, and you see it as wrong. You do not see it as obscenity as I do, but you do see it, and that is all that matters.
Do you get what you're saying? You just stated that because he sees RavEMasteR's state of living contradiction, that is all that matters. You are just as bad as the "holier-than-thou" theists and the "you're-always-wrong" atheists, only worse because you're against both sides! Hypocrite!

On a side note, a quadruple paradox.... I think I'm going to faint...

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Because Ravemaster's disease
Disease? I am getting a bad taste in my mouth from reading this hateful tripe. And yet I must continue...

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is so severe and compounded by his youth and utter lack of introspection
And just what is wrong with being young? So now you're against young people as well? We're not all naive, in fact... That's just a false truth created by adults!

Wellll... I suppose it would be more accurate to say generalization instead of truth.

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it is more obvious in him, but if you look for it, you can find it in a great many. Hussein, here, is similar in that he displays this same weakness, this same disease of the eye.
You are sick, you know that?

Because they have their own views and oppose the other's, they are both diseased and imperfect? If only you had the power within yourself to dispel the hatred and anger that poisons you so... But I see apparently that is not the case. You are in every aspect what you are flaming them for. If only I could make you see that...

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Despite being a part of a foundation that undoubtedly teaches love and being a part of an institution that has it's own definitions of love and hate that it impresses upon him
Yay for him. I call it "religion".

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he still does not fully know the use of both, he only knows hate. If he knew love, he would not persue love by such hateful things as this thread.
But then he wouldn't know hate, would he?

I don't see how love OR hate are applied in this discussion, other than the first point about cheating on your spouse.

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Love can never be spread by aggression.
Wow, you said something wise. If only others would realize this truth.

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I loathe to put absolutes to things, but I feel this absolute to be true.
And I don't. There are no such things as absolutes, or there would be absolute law and there would never be change in this earth. Don't you see? This is what religion preaches that I oppose. The belief that their law is absolute and that we should unwaveringly obey these laws in order to prevent all the sins of the Earth. (That and creation, of course.)

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I also stated I was 75% Atheist. That 15% is what allows me to actually CONSIDER the existence of God.
25%.

Just like I did with Michael1, I am going to spend every ounce of effort I put into RD to squash your hateful words, Krazilac, and open your eyes to acceptance of other people's views, even if I have to stoop to your level to do it. I don't hate the people who have views that contradict mine... I don't even hate their views. I only hate views that infringe apon my rights and the rights of others, which got me into religious discussion in the first place.

Now, as soon as you can open your eyes and see that you must accept the people that hate each other as well, and simply try to absolve this conflict, instead of igniting it moreso, then you can finally leave a positive influence apon religious conflict.

Yeah, I'm feeling poetic. Wanna start a fight about it?

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Well put! I just don't wanna go "Oh shit! You shouldn't be here" when I die and see God.
Reminds me of a comic I saw (and heard, of course) once. He said that he thinks a lot of people are <insert religion here> "just in case".

@LonelyTylenol

Nitpicking about accidental improper grammar, eh? I could do the same for many posts of yours. The ones I am thinking of right now contained "irregardless", which has both "ir", meaning not, and "less", also meaning not. The two cancel each other out, meaning regarding. At least I think it was you on at least one post... I just read a Ravemaster post which used it.

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and if it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
~Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

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Re: Hey, you atheists!

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Hey, you atheists!

You want an intellectual battle with those who acknowledge the existence of Allah/God? Let’s have it!

I wish you to ask you the following questions; I want them answered satisfactorily. Here we go:

1. Outside of marriage, what’s preventing you from whoring and fornicating with as many women as you want? (Don’t say gaining the reputation of a womaniser, because such fornicating with multiple women is regrettably quite common).
Indeed, even when married, so many men copulate with women besides their spouses. If your spouses tolerated it, what’s stopping you male atheists from cohabiting with as many women outside of marriage as you want?
2. How can you die as fearlessly as a Christian, Jew or Muslim (who believe in the afterlife) or Buddhists or Hindus (who believe in rebirth), as opposed to your belief that when you die, you go into a permanent sleep? After all, death must seem so boring compared to the vibrant nature of life.
3. What’s stopping you from immersing yourself in all manner of pornography, sexually explicit movies, Playboy and Penthouse?
4. If you believe in justice in the world and the Universe, how do you explain how so many evil people in the history of the world have gone unpunished in the world? According to your beliefs (or non-beliefs, so to say) these men will go unpunished. Example: Hitler, who died of his own volition, who crushed his opponents and persecuted the blind, gypsies, Jews, disabled, Negroids, Mongoloids and hated the British and Americans; Stalin, who when he died was given a national burial and everyone rejoiced in how he had rendered the ‘Soviet Union a superpower’. Did he not annihilate every political opponent? Did he not kill 20 million of his own people? Did he not starve fellow Russians in his collectivisation program? Didn’t he cancel out the lives of thousands at the stroke of a pen? Yet he died a hero, however repugnant that is.
5. Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving? I think a lot, if not most of you do, because you see everyone else doing it. Well, as you would know, these two celebrations are monotheistic Christian celebrations, not atheistic celebrations. If you are an atheist and celebrate these two festivals, I challenge you to forsake them so as to prove your commitment to your atheistic belief. Otherwise………….you’re just a hypocrite.
6. What was in the Beginning (of the Universe)? How was the Universe created?
7. What’s the meaning of life?
8. How do you explain:
- the Virgin Mary
- when Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad (S) and revealed Islam to him
- the revelations of Allah to Prophet Muhammad (S) of Islam from 610 CE onwards
9. American atheists: How can you tolerate it when your President sworn in with the Bible, and your President invokes the name of God, saying God Bless America at the conclusion of his speeches?

You can ask me any question about Islam and Allah/God, and I will answer it satisfactorily when I access Utopia Temple.
Interesting idea, but you do seem to be very judgemental and make an awful lot of assumptions - or maybe I'm just reading you up that way!

1. Nothing, except my own judgement. Is this any different to religious people? Do religious people not fornicate and cheat on their spouses? Being sexually open and, well, slutty, is a human characteristic - not a religious (or athiest) one.

2. Do religious people die fearlessly? I'm sure some do, and I'm pretty sure some die kicking and screaming. BTW, the true aim of Buddhism is to no longer be reincarnated, to become one with the universe, in essence to cease to exist in every form - even spiritually. Oh and when you die, boredom aint going to be a problem, because your dead!

3. Nothing, once again this is a choice that people make. Religious people watch porn too you know. Honestly, religious teaching in the area of sexuality is openly ridiculed even by religious people (at least in Ireland) because they are so completely out of touch with the real world.

4. I don't believe the world is just. Anyone who does quite frankly is a naive fool!

5. Not really, I enjoy the Family and friend get togethers that happen at Christmas, but I don't celebrate it in any way religiously. I also don't celebrate it much commercially - it actually disturbs me somewhat.

I don't celebrate Easter either - we do generally have a nice family dinner on Easter Sunday, but that more of an excuse to have a nice meal and have a family get-together. I don't go to ,church, but I might eat some chocolate!

Not being American I have no idea what the hell thanksgiving is about. I didn't even know it was a religious holiday!

Most religious festivals are actually replacements for pagan festivals. Christmas is when it is because it was used to undermine the pagan winter solstice festivals (Many believe Christ was born some time in February). All Saints Day and Halloween sit on top of the Celtic festival Samhain (sow-an), April Fools day used to be the Pagan new year. SO I think it's only right that pagans reclaim these festivals =)

6. I don't know - do you? I mean KNOW, not what a book tells you! You could go read some books by cosmologists, but it's all just theory!

7. 42!

8. They are stories from books. How do you explain Supermans ability to fly?

9. Well I'm not American, but I do believe very strongly in secular government. Religion is a personal choice, everyone's choices are different (for the most part they are the same, but every single person has a unique set of morals) - what business do the choices we make as individuals in our own lives have in shaping how the rest of the country should lead their lives? Secularism ensure the religious freedoms of all. So I personally don't like it one bit when religion and politics meet!

I'm Mad As Hell And I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore!
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Lonely Tylenol, speak not. I am not sure if you are afflicted with the disease against which I preach, but you are afflicted with the chronic inability to understand anything beyond the strictly literal. You made a long post that says nothing, other than you're young and unable to read beyond what's shoved in your face. After reading your lovely reply, I am not sure which is worse, people such as Ravemaster or Hussein here who are consumed by their religion and take it to dark places, or people like you, who are just flat out wallowing in a pit of their own lack of knowledge and experience. Your sin is probably less guiltful than the sins of the others, but it's impact is still annoying more than the impact of the others.

He had a lot to say
He had a lot of nothing to say
We'll miss him

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