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(Posted as Defender)
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(25-Nov-2001 at 03:18)
lightbulb Emblem Hosting & Pictures in Signatures Legal Issues

I am a frequent Utopia Boards poster but I do not use Defender as my username there.

Recently in the Bugs & Suggestions Forum, I have noticed an increase in the complaints of Utopians regarding pornography in the kingdom banners. One of them is done by Kaer Loche of KLA, and is a picture showing Mariah Carey's nipple. A worse one was done by a kingdom gangbanged (sic) by AA & KLA. It shows a girl naked, with her breasts and her genitals exposed.

Before you all tell me that I am posting in the wrong forum, I have to point out a similarity between the two examples:- The Host. Yes, BG, you are hosting these pictures. Even though you are unaware that these pictures are in your database, you may be held responsible because of the fact that you are hosting these pictures.

Perhaps you may tell me that Pornography is widespread and that you have done nothing wrong whatsoever. However, I do like to point out that Utopia Temple is a Utopia-related website. As such, you should adher to the Utopian Code. Secondly, Pornography is not the only culprit. You do know that trademarked or copyrighted pictures are probably hosted in your website too.

Which brings me to another topic:- Pictures in signatures. You do allow pictures but you do know that some people abuse the privilege and use trademarked or copyrighted pictures from other websites. Thus, you may face legal actions from other websites. This has happened to many other boards in the Internet, regardless of whether the boards are hosted by personal or corporate entities.

As such, I suggest that before allowing a picture to be hosted by your Emblem-Hosting service, the users have to agree to Terms & Conditions set by you. Among the Terms & Conditions would of course include the rule that affirms that pictures must not be inappropriate or contain adult content, and that the pictures are not trademarked or copyrighted by any other entity. These should also be incorporated into the forum rules. Other than the Terms & Conditions, you may wish to include a Disclaimer.

I do await your opinion, BG. I must admit that your site is a miracle to Utopians all around the world, including me. I wish you all the best.


Signed,
Defender
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(25-Nov-2001 at 03:55)


Probably would be a good idea BG.

But I am sure that if any mod found a pic containing pornography or something else which was not appropriate, they would remove that pic from the sig and ask that the User remove it permanently.
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(25-Nov-2001 at 07:49)


Yes, safety is the best policy.

And I would probably expect a ban for porno in sigs

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(25-Nov-2001 at 11:37)
yay ppl agree sorry for formality. this kinda things must be formal if not theyre juz plain stupid.

well bg hope u understand, its juz a few more kilobytes

>: <-hope this smiley works
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(27-Nov-2001 at 00:26)


lightbulb Re: Emblem Hosting & Pictures in Signatures Legal Issues

Thanks for your suggestions. I haven't seen any porn picture in the forum signatures or the hosted emblems. While I don't have control over the forum pictures (they are external links, not hosted on our server), once such a signature will be caught, it will be taken down very quickly by either myself or the moderators.

As for hosted emblems, I wasn't aware or any porn emblem hosted on our server. In the past I have banned already one emblem, and I don't have any problem doing it again, if the reason is right. Therefore, feel free to report porn emblems, and they will be taken down.

Now about the disclaimer text, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't even know what to write. If you want to supply the text, I have no problem using it.

Brother Green, Utopia Angel creator.
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(27-Nov-2001 at 10:00)


Disclaimer

Here is a disclaimer which I think should cover UT's butt quite well... I will not be held responsible for any emotional or physical damage as a result of the use of a disclaimer...

Disclaimer - You understand that, except for information, products or services clearly identified as being supplied by Utopia Temple, Utopia Temple does not operate, control or endorse any information, products or services on this Web site in any way. Except for Utopia Temple identified information, products or services, all information, products and services offered on the Web site generally are offered by third parties that are not affiliated with Utopia Temple. Utopia Temple can not be held responsible for any offensive material which is made available through one of its services, however if reported, the offending material may be removed. You also understand that Utopia Temple cannot and does not guarantee or warrant that files or software of any kind, or from any source, available for downloading through the Web site, will be free of infection or viruses, worms, Trojan Horses or other code or defects that manifest contaminating or destructive properties. You are responsible for implementing sufficient procedures and checkpoints to satisfy your particular requirements for accuracy of data input and output, and for maintaining a means external to the Web site for the reconstruction of lost data. YOU ASSUME TOTAL RESPONSIBILITY AND RISK FOR YOUR USE OF THE WEB SITE AND ANY SERVICES CONTAINED THEREIN. THIS WEB SITE IS PROVIDED ON AN " AS IS " BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NON-INFRINGEMENT OR TITLE. UTOPIA TEMPLE. ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ERRORS OR OMISSIONS IN THIS WEB SITE OR ANY OTHER WEB SITE WHICH MAY BE REFERENCED OR LINKED TO THIS WEB SITE. REFERENCES TO OTHER WEB SITES, THEIR SERVICES OR PRODUCTS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS " WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. IN NO EVENT SHALL UTOPIA TEMPLE. BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND, OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THOSE RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE DATA WHETHER OR NOT ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGE, OR UNDER ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE, COMMUNICATION OR TRANSMISSION OF THIS INFORMATION. THE INFORMATION INCLUDED IN THIS WEB SITE COULD INCLUDE TECHNICAL OR OTHER INACCURACIES OR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS. AMENDMENTS ARE PERIODICALLY MADE TO THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN; THESE AMENDMENTS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE WEB SITE. UTOPIA TMPLE MAY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR SAID AMENDMENTS TO THE WEB SITE AT ANY TIME. ANY AND ALL PORTIONS OF THIS DISCLAIMER SHALL AUTOMATICALLY APPLY TO ALL IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR AMENDMENTS AS THEY APPEAR ON THE WEB SITE. IT IS SOLELY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EVALUATE THE ACCURACY, COMPLETENESS AND USEFULNESS OF ALL OPINIONS, ADVICE, SERVICES, MERCHANDISE AND OTHER INFORMATION PROVIDED THROUGH THE WEB SITE. UTOPIA TEMPLE DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE WEB SITE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR FREE OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE WEB SITE WILL BE CORRECTED.

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(27-Nov-2001 at 11:14)
wow! juz dun use too much caps, it kills me eyes ps. i dunno how to write disclaimers too :P

Reg: Dec 2000 =)
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(27-Nov-2001 at 18:09)


Caps are often used to REALLY emphasize the message... hehe... basically "DON'T BLAME US IF YOU FAIL YOUR LIFE" ...

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(29-Nov-2001 at 08:27)


*grin*

You forgot "One size fits all", "Beware of dog" and "Do not eat".


On the subject of disclaimers, check out the "Important Precautions on this page.

- Tyrall

Admin of the Tyrall Network, home of Utopia Temple
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(29-Nov-2001 at 23:34)


freak Re: Disclaimer

I think I'll pass, since before I can use it, I have to first read it...

Brother Green, Utopia Angel creator.
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(30-Nov-2001 at 01:19)


lazy smile

What you waiting for then?! lol

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(01-Dec-2001 at 00:08)


teeth

Seriously, I thank you for the effort, but I don't think we need such an "official" disclaimer. Besides, it's too scary.

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(01-Dec-2001 at 09:45)


Why not just have something like this:

"We reserve the right to come to your house and shoot you if you do something we don't like"
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(01-Dec-2001 at 17:18)


Quote:
(Originally posted by Brother Green)

Seriously, I thank you for the effort, but I don't think we need such an "official" disclaimer. Besides, it's too scary.
I'll get you a cuter and less scary looking one then

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(17-Dec-2001 at 02:28)
mad YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THIS!!!

Bg, check this emblem:

<removed>

hosted on ur website. posted in the utopian boards abt 5 minutes ago, deleted by a moderator there.

Last edited by DarkSkies X, 17-Dec-2001 at 05:55.
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(17-Dec-2001 at 11:33)


Ouu Ouu!! What was on it?! At least give us a graphic description! hehe

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(17-Dec-2001 at 16:26)


Only a short question please about the original post in here:
Is it really porngrafic to show nipples? Which laws underlies Utopia/Utopia Temple? I any law but the american there wouldn't be a problem with nipples I think.
(Sorry for that post but I really would like to know.)

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(17-Dec-2001 at 17:16)
naked woman on all fours. dog on her screwing her.




its been changed now n the monarch has been deleted.
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(17-Dec-2001 at 19:26)


Hehehehe... kewwl

Nipples should be OK since they are publically viewable in ads and TV, so it's accepted by the government... and besides.. there's nothing wrong with nipples..

My KD's banner last age was this:
*Note the Locations are LAST AGE not this age*

http://www.firest0rm.btinternet.co.u...celestial5.jpg

And we also had:
http://www.firest0rm.btinternet.co.u...celestial4.jpg

as a backup.

And those are both fine. More art than pr0n.

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(05-May-2002 at 23:07)


I do hosting myself, so I know some of the legal issues involved with inappropriate material. Instead of barfing a ton of legalese at you all, I'll boil it down:

A host cannot be held liable (or criminally responsible) for any content housed on their system that has been uploaded by someone not under their direct control.

However, they can be held responsible if they are notified of the material and asked to remove it.

My company hosts about 500 websites, and it's completely unreasonable for us to review them all, all the time.

PS: This law holds true in Canada, but I'm pretty sure the US system holds the same.
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